Re: your own root server, anyone?
Anthony Florendo <arfspot-plug-/[email protected]> Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:38:52 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi Roberto,
The IANA site provides some information around how to set up a root server.=
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There is also here:
http://www.root-servers.org/
From my experience, many ISPs here in the US just run a DNS caching service=
and sometimes just ignores the TTL. =C2=A0Due to the sheer number of reque=
sts to DNS serves maintained by companies like AT&T, Verizon or Earthlink, =
the servers (or clusters) quickly become populated with almost all the serv=
ers that their customers visit.
It seems they adjust the TTL to 30 mins to 4 hours, to reduce the outbound =
UDP calls required for the update
There were also some attempts in the past to break away from the approved T=
LDs -- there were a couple of companies that set up their own root servers =
and sold "realnames" instead of the usual TLD. =C2=A0
From: Roberto Verzola <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]=20
Cc: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List <plug@li=
sts.linux.org.ph>; Michael Tinsay <tinsami1-/[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
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Hi Mike,
I'm only asking for interest in joining a learning process, not really abou=
t any commitment to set up a root server.
And for further clarification: I'm not talking of DNS servers for subdomain=
s, which a big firm might want to do. I'm talking of alternatives to the IC=
ANN root server. At least two already exist that I know of, the OpenRoot in=
itiative maintains one, and China does too, I am told.
Greetings to all,
Obet
On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:26:04 +0000 (UTC)
Michael Tinsay <tinsami1-/[email protected]> wrote:
> Setting up a root server and operating one, while it goes hand in hand, a=
re two different matters, IMO. =C2=A0At the very least, Obet is inviting us=
for the former. =C2=A0I am interested, but am on the fence about participa=
ting because I'm also thinking of the latter, as it will, for me, justify l=
earning the former. =C2=A0Setting up a root DNS server behind the firewall,=
as fooler points out, can contribute to the security of the enterprise net=
work. =C2=A0I'm unsure if I can commit to setup and operate one for my pres=
ent employer. Hence, sitting on the fence for now.
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: GMDumlao <[email protected]>
>=C2=A0 To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List =
<[email protected]>=20
>=C2=A0 Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2016, 20:10
>=C2=A0 Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?
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> Of important consideration here are the logistics and business continuity=
of high availability servers for the purpose. Root server - therefore impl=
ying the need for those qualities - lacking those, a root server it ain't.
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> On Saturday, 2 July 2016, Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hi fooler,
> >
> > It is good for me, for all kinds of reasons. And I will leave it to peo=
ple to decide if it will be good for them, for whatever reason. If not, the=
y can simply not join. And probably we will also realize what other reasons=
it is good for, after we learn how to do it.
> >
> > Obet
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:47:53 -0400
> > fooler mail <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay <tinsami1-/[email protected]> w=
rote:
> >>
> >> > Aside from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root
> >> > server, what would it be good for?
> >> >
> >>
> >> according in their faq
> >>
> >> https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/
> >>
> >> security against manipulation..
> >>
> >> fooler.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Roberto Verzola <[email protected]>
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Technical Discussion List <[email protected]>; Michael Tinsay &=
lt;tinsami1-/[email protected]><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:27 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b=
><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [plug] your own =
root server, anyone?<br clear=3D"none"> </div> <div class=3D"yiv6046360593=
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br clear=3D"none">Hi Mike,<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I'm only as=
king for interest in joining a learning process, not really about any commi=
tment to set up a root server.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">And for=
further clarification: I'm not talking of DNS servers for subdomains, whic=
h a big firm might want to do. I'm talking of alternatives to the ICANN roo=
t server. At least two already exist that I know of, the OpenRoot initiativ=
e maintains one, and China does too, I am told.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none">Greetings to all,<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Obet<br cl=
ear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 08:26=
:04 +0000 (UTC)<br clear=3D"none">Michael Tinsay <<a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tinsami1-/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:tinsami1-/[email protected]">tinsami1-/[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">> Setting up a root server and operating on=
e, while it goes hand in hand, are two different matters, IMO. At the=
very least, Obet is inviting us for the former. I am interested, but=
am on the fence about participating because I'm also thinking of the latte=
r, as it will, for me, justify learning the former. Setting up a root=
DNS server behind the firewall, as fooler points out, can contribute to th=
e security of the enterprise network. I'm unsure if I can commit to s=
etup and operate one for my present employer. Hence, sitting on the fence f=
or now.<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> =
From: GMDumlao <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:gm=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">gmdu=
[email protected]</a>><br clear=3D"none">> To: Philippine Linux Us=
ers' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> <br cle=
ar=3D"none">> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2016, 20:10<br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; Subject: Re: [plug] your own root server, anyone?<br clear=3D"non=
e">> <br clear=3D"none">> Of important consideration her=
e are the logistics and business continuity of high availability servers fo=
r the purpose. Root server - therefore implying the need for those qualitie=
s - lacking those, a root server it ain't.<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=
=3D"none">> Glenn <br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> On Sat=
urday, 2 July 2016, Roberto Verzola <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:rve=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">>=
> Hi fooler,<br clear=3D"none">> ><br clear=3D"none">> > It=
is good for me, for all kinds of reasons. And I will leave it to people to=
decide if it will be good for them, for whatever reason. If not, they can =
simply not join. And probably we will also realize what other reasons it is=
good for, after we learn how to do it.<br clear=3D"none">> ><br clea=
r=3D"none">> > Obet<br clear=3D"none">> ><br clear=3D"none">>=
; > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:47:53 -0400<br clear=3D"none">> > fooler=
mail <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fooler.mail@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">fooler.m=
[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">> ><br clear=3D"none">=
> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Michael Tinsay <<a rel=3D=
"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tinsami1-/[email protected]" target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:tinsami1-/[email protected]">tinsami1-/[email protected]</a>> wrote:=
<br clear=3D"none">> >><br clear=3D"none">> >> > Aside=
from the learning experience one gets in setting up a DNS root<br clear=3D=
"none">> >> > server, what would it be good for?<br clear=3D"no=
ne">> >> ><br clear=3D"none">> >><br clear=3D"none">&g=
t; >> according in their faq<br clear=3D"none">> >><br clear=
=3D"none">> >> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/">https://www.orsn.org/en/faq/</a><br=
clear=3D"none">> >><br clear=3D"none">> >> security agai=
nst manipulation..<br clear=3D"none">> >><br clear=3D"none">> &=
gt;> fooler.<br clear=3D"none">> ><br clear=3D"none">> ><br =
clear=3D"none">> > --<br clear=3D"none">> > Roberto Verzola <=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</=
a>><br clear=3D"none">> > ________________________________________=
_________<br clear=3D"none">> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) =
Mailing List<br clear=3D"none">> > <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"=
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