Re: Devuan

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:14:35 -0700
Rick Moen <rick-IyCrq+X4Fdq2oZ/[email protected]> wrote:

> Quoting Daniel Gimpelevich (daniel-R/[email protected]):
> 
> > Heh, if that had said Jessie rather than Stretch, you would've
> > already lost:
> > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160713.151302.42cf06d0.en.html
> > TL;DR: On Debian 8, Apache requires systemd.  
> 
> No, it doesn't.
> 
> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160713.181418.6073c586.en.html#dng

You know what I've never understood.

If a person says "I don't want Unity on my computer!", people say "OK".

If a person says "I don't want KDE on my computer!", people say "OK".

If a person says "I don't want Skype on my computer!", people say "OK".

If a person says "I don't want systemd on my computer!", people say
"you're a graybeard, unwilling to learn new things, afraid of change,
ingrateful, you're spamming the list, take it to the OT list, if you
don't like it, submit a patch, if you don't like it, make your own."

Wait, wait, don't hit that reply button just yet, there's more...

If a person forks sodipony, people say "that's difficult, good luck!"

If a person forks Sylpheed, people say "that's difficult, good luck!"

If a person forks Smoothwall, people say "that's difficult, good luck!"

If a person forks Debian, people say "Nor did it merit a fork, it seemed
like gratuitous drama, Debian has been around for 23 years and it has
been one of the founding pillars of open source, you're detached from 
reality."

Don't hit reply yet...

It's clear that both Devuan and the desire to keep systemd off one's
computer are special cases. If you stay in the Debian community and
bitch about systemd, you're a bad guy. If you leave Debian and join the
Devuan fork, you're all sorts of bad. Heck, if you travel to Void Linux
they mock your choice:

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4sct3n/why_void_linux/

Devuan and systemd are special cases in the responses they elicit, and
I can't help thinking of this process:

===================================================================
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you win.
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Nowwww hit reply :-)
 
SteveT

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