Re: v-slow raid resync

Jeff Allison <[email protected]>
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Checked it's the right disk.

On 22 March 2014 18:53, Lubos Rendek <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Jeff Allison
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Now here's a strange one the drive is now back in it's usb case.
>>
>> [jeff@nas ~]$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sdd/bonnie++/test.tmp bs=4k
>> count=2000000 && sync
>> 2000000+0 records in
>> 2000000+0 records out
>> 8192000000 bytes (8.2 GB) copied, 248.397 s, 33.0 MB/s
>>
>> It's now 8x faster.  As fast as any of the usb disks...
> Interesting. Your are bending the laws of physics :-)
>
> Just make sure that your test disk is really mounted under /mnt/sdd/
> so you are not accidentally writing to different block device.
>>
>> I'm confused.
>>
>> There isn't some code in the firmware now days that knows when you've
>> removed a disk from a USB case?
>>
>> On 21 March 2014 14:55, Jeff Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Yeah you're probably right but I have 2 greens so....
>>>
>>> On 21 March 2014 14:46, Kevin Shackleton <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> We're told these days that we should be using NAS rated drives like the WD
>>>> Red.  Cheers,  Kevin
>>>>
>>>> On 21/03/2014 8:41 AM, "Jeff Allison" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> opps forgot the list
>>>>>
>>>>> Definatly the disk...
>>>>>
>>>>> [jeff@nas ~]$dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sdj/bonnie/test.tmp bs=4k
>>>>> count=2000000 && sync && dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sdd/bonnie/test.tmp
>>>>> bs=4k count=2000000 && sync
>>>>>
>>>>> 2000000+0 records in
>>>>> 2000000+0 records outDefinatly the disk...
>>>>>
>>>>> [jeff@nas ~]$dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sdj/bonnie/test.tmp bs=4k
>>>>> count=2000000 && sync && dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sdd/bonnie/test.tmp
>>>>> bs=4k count=2000000 && sync
>>>>>
>>>>> 2000000+0 records in
>>>>> 2000000+0 records out
>>>>> 8192000000 bytes (8.2 GB) copied, 231.778 s, 35.3 MB/s <-- WD Green
>>>>> RMA I got back yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2000000+0 records in
>>>>> 2000000+0 records out
>>>>> 8192000000 bytes (8.2 GB) copied, 1818.18 s, 4.5 MB/s <-- Dud one.
>>>>> 8192000000 bytes (8.2 GB) copied, 231.778 s, 35.3 MB/s <-- WD Green
>>>>> RMA I got back yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2000000+0 records in
>>>>> 2000000+0 records out
>>>>> 8192000000 bytes (8.2 GB) copied, 1818.18 s, 4.5 MB/s <-- Dud one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21 March 2014 11:40, Jeff Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> > Definatly the disk...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [jeff@nas ~]$dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sdj/bonnie/test.tmp bs=4k
>>>>> > count=2000000 && sync && dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sdd/bonnie/test.tmp
>>>>> > bs=4k count=2000000 && sync
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2000000+0 records in
>>>>> > 2000000+0 records out
>>>>> > 8192000000 bytes (8.2 GB) copied, 231.778 s, 35.3 MB/s <-- WD Green
>>>>> > RMA I got back yesterday.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2000000+0 records in
>>>>> > 2000000+0 records out
>>>>> > 8192000000 bytes (8.2 GB) copied, 1818.18 s, 4.5 MB/s <-- Dud one.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 20 March 2014 13:15, Jeff Allison <[email protected]>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >> I'm watching the format running and the write speed still seems limited
>>>>> >> to 4MB/s
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'll run some tests when it finally gets formatted.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Perhaps a dud disk?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 20 March 2014 11:42, Jeff Allison <[email protected]>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>> Yeah started to do that last night got sidetracked...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 20 March 2014 11:42, Jake Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> It is slower than I'd think it should be, but like I said, you should
>>>>> >>>> ask on
>>>>> >>>> a mdadm list for advice from people who will really know.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On 20/03/14 11:25, Jeff Allison wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> So is 4MB/s acceptable? for 4x2TB raid 5 resync?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On 20 March 2014 10:59, Jake Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> I'll wager its mostly due to not needing to resize and re-parity
>>>>> >>>>>> one
>>>>> >>>>>> drive.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On 20/03/14 10:58, Jeff Allison wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> I failed the suspect disk out of the array and now the rebuild is
>>>>> >>>>>>> 16000K/sec 4x faster.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Strange.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Time to do some disk testing...
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 March 2014 14:59, Jeff Allison
>>>>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I ran hdparm...
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> [root@nas ~]# hdparm -tT /dev/sdd <-- dud disk
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> /dev/sdd:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>    Timing cached reads:   2318 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1158.86
>>>>> >>>>>>>> MB/sec
>>>>> >>>>>>>>    Timing buffered disk reads:   2 MB in 25.35 seconds =  80.79
>>>>> >>>>>>>> kB/sec
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> [root@nas ~]# hdparm -tT /dev/sdc <-- good disk
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> /dev/sdc:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>    Timing cached reads:   2470 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1234.85
>>>>> >>>>>>>> MB/sec
>>>>> >>>>>>>>    Timing buffered disk reads: 296 MB in  3.01 seconds =  98.35
>>>>> >>>>>>>> MB/sec
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not much in it.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19 March 2014 14:23, Jeff Allison
>>>>> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The disk sector sizes are the same on all the disks.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Logical  Sector size:                   512 bytes
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Physical Sector size:                  4096 bytes
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is chunk size stripe size?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [root@nas ~]# mdadm --detail /dev/md0
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /dev/md0:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>           Version : 1.2
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>     Creation Time : Fri Feb 21 09:33:55 2014
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>        Raid Level : raid5
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>        Array Size : 3905985536 (3725.04 GiB 3999.73 GB)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>     Used Dev Size : 1952992768 (1862.52 GiB 1999.86 GB)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>      Raid Devices : 4
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>     Total Devices : 4
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>       Persistence : Superblock is persistent
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>       Update Time : Wed Mar 19 14:22:35 2014
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>             State : clean, reshaping
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>    Active Devices : 4
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Working Devices : 4
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>    Failed Devices : 0
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>     Spare Devices : 0
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>            Layout : left-symmetric
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>        Chunk Size : 512K
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>    Reshape Status : 28% complete
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>     Delta Devices : 1, (3->4)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>              Name : nas.allygray.2y.net:0  (local to host
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> nas.allygray.2y.net)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>              UUID : 1a122cbe:ada65085:680e451c:180c7689
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>            Events : 21723
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>       Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>          0       8       17        0      active sync
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /dev/sdb1
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>          1       8       33        1      active sync
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /dev/sdc1
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>          3       8        1        2      active sync
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /dev/sda1
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>          4       8       49        3      active sync
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /dev/sdd1
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I created the partitions I used the -a optimal which I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sorted that?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 19 March 2014 14:11, Jake Anderson <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> its probably *madly* seeking which is why its so slow.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wonder, what is the block size you are using on the disk and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> stripe
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> size of your array?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you are read modify writing a 4K disk in 512k blocks it'll
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> be dog
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> slow.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 19/03/14 14:00, Jeff Allison wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The thing I find strange is that in iostat the disk shows as
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 100% at
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3/4
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> MB/s.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how iostat decides on the percent?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 19 March 2014 10:53, Jake Anderson <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't going to be an issue with sata vs whatever (though
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I do
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> running in ahci mode if thats an option)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The issue is probably going to be how mdadm is growing the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> array,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> need to do a buttload of disk access to do that reading and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sector on every disk and trying to keep everything in a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> consistent
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> state
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> while doing so.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if it applies to whatever raid level you are
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> using but
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> something like an --assume-clean option you can pass it?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd also suggest asking in the mdadm list or perhaps IRC.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1056831 might be of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> interest.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/14 20:02, Rachel Polanskis wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Mar 2014, at 6:46 pm, Jeff Allison
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's installed unfortunately didn't fix my problem. How
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> badly
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> configured
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> does a disk need to be to only run at 4mb
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the suck eggs question, but you did enable all the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> features in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the BIOS e.g. turning on SATA II 3gbps support,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> write cache disable etc?   In the URL link to the forum
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> below they
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the optimum settings.  I am using
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> WD RED NAS drives (2x2tb) and Seagate 3Tb drives (latest
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> model) in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> system so similar to yours....
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rachel
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2014 3:43 PM, "Rachel Polanskis"
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Mar 2014, at 3:14 pm, Jeff Allison
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it the O41072911.ROM?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you use flashrom of the dos disk thingo.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18 March 2014 14:06, gr0ve <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, you should flash the BIOS!  I get 80mbps reads
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on ZFS
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and depending, 30-40mbps on writes.  Without the BIOS mod,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are getting only IDE speeds there.  The original BIOS holds
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> back and it is perfectly safe.  The BIOS ensures AHCI
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> operational
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well as the 3gbps SATA II bus. Once you see the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can choose to also select write cache enabled|disabled
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> although
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is best with a UPS ;)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rachel
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The HP BIOS version is the O41072911.ROM as you suggest.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You need this to install the "theBay" ROM as well.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The process is shown online, but in short you copy the HP
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS/windows installer to a USB stick then copy the "theBay"
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rom
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> top. You could try to "dd" the image but it does some weird
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> trickery
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the stick bootable for installing the BIOS.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can look for TheBay_Microserver_Bios_041.rar online.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The source information is:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avforums.com/threads/hp-n36l-n40l-n54l-microserver-updated-ahci-bios-support.1521657/
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And it has all the guff on getting the BIOS onto your N54L
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tips
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on how to configure it.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have all the files if you need them....
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, these are terrific little servers.  It has an
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> internal
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> USB
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> port so I just loaded FreeNAS
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> onto an 8Gb USB stick and boot from there.  All the internal
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> SATA
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> disks
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are in ZFS disk pools which
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> do my bidding. As I use ZFS, I went with 8gb ECC memory. I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> added an
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> additional Gigabit Ethernet adaptor as the built in broadcom
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> networking and I run the second Gig-E port with Jumbo Frames
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gigabit
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> crossover (there is such a thing)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to a Mac Mini with the thunderbolt port running Gig-E and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> iSCSI!
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Mac Mini runs esxi 5.5 and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the data stores (running various species of Linux)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hosted off
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> HP-N54L.  It is like a little tiny
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> SAN, small but perfectly formed....
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rachel
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rachel Polanskis                 Kingswood, Greater Western
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sydney,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]             IT consulting, security,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> programming
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>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> carries.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rachel Polanskis                 Kingswood, Greater Western
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sydney,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]             IT consulting, security,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> programming
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>            The more an answer costs, the more respect it
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> carries.
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>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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