Re: Birds of a Feather: but what Feather?

There are many frameworks already and I bet some more are in incubation.
I would personally be interested to see the usage of those frameworks in
the industry, and pro/cons of similar frameworks. 
 
 


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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeoff Wilks
	Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:50 PM
	To: Triangle Java User's Group
	Subject: Re: [Juglist] Birds of a Feather: but what Feather?
	
	
	Wicket has also caught my attention. From the outside it appears
easy to use, and looks like it leverages the developer's strengths
instead of working against them.
	
	I am an advocate of REST style [1], which basically means
placing application-level state in hypertext (markup and URIs) instead
of in a Session object. That, combined with proper use of HTTP verbs
(GET, POST, etc.), can make a web app far more scalable (because it is
easier to cache, load-balance, etc.). Also, because it stresses a
uniform interface with predictable semantics, it tends to make the web
app easier to interact with from a programmatic (web service)
perspecive. 
	
	Historically, the component-oriented framework camps (JSF,
Tapestry, Wicket, et. al) collided heavily with REST style by using the
Servlet API's Session object heavily, misusing HTTP verbs, etc. A lot of
those people are just now starting to understand why REST is so
important. Some others, notably the Ruby on Rails devs, already "get it"
and are reworking their frameworks around REST. 
	
	I would love to hear more about how Wicket handles REST.
(Likewise for other frameworks).
	
	--Jeoff
	(New to the group; moved to triangle area in September).
	
	
	
	On 11/30/06, Phillip Rhodes <[email protected]> wrote: 

		Robert J. Cameron wrote:
		> How about web development frameworks? Struts, Spring,
JSF, Tapestry
		> etc.
		>
		That is a topic that never seems to get old! :-)
		
		On that note, I've just been experimenting with Wicket
recently. I've 
		written up some
		stuff about it on my blog at
	
<http://jroller.com/page/mindcrime?entry=really_impressed_with_wicket>.
		
		If one of the BoF tables winds up revolving around this
topic, I'd be
		happy to
		talk about Wicket a bit... I can bring my laptop and do
some "show n' tell"
		on Wicket if anybody's interested.
		
		So what do we have so far? Four topics mentioned?  Web
Development 
		Frameworks, Semantic Web,
		Social Networking, Portals?  Anybody want to register
interest in being
		part of a BoF group
		discussing any of these things?  Or propose something
else?
		
		I ask, because it seems like it would be nice if people
could have some 
		idea of what the
		topics might be in advance... so they can prepare
questions, or do some
		advance
		research on a topic or whatever.  Or just make a
decision whether to
		attend or not. :-)
		
		
		TTYL,
		
		
		Phil
		
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