[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2020-05-21
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- DRAFT -
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
21 May 2020
[2]Agenda
[2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020May/0009.html
Attendees
Present
addison, Fuqiao, atsushi, Richard, JcK, DavidClarke
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR Review
5. [8]HTML snapshot review
6. [9]AOB?
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
trackbot, prepare teleconference
<agendabot> clear agenda
<scribe> scribenick: addison
Agenda and Minutes
atsushi: final decision on simple-ruby coming
richard: waiting to see the English version to comment on
... the English editorial stuff and also the substantive
changes
atsushi: 2 phases, update of English shortly
... and then review entire document
... first part this week
... and next part next week
Action Items
[12]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[12] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-906?
<trackbot> action-906 -- Richard Ishida to Review edits in css
issue 4765 (our 845) and see if we're satisfied -- due
2020-05-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/906
[13] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/906
richard: almost satisfied, requested a tweak
close action-906
<trackbot> Closed action-906.
richard: see if "we're" satisfied, but only tracker
action-908?
<trackbot> action-908 -- Fuqiao Xue to Create issue 221 in css
as "needs resolution"
([14]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221) -- due
2020-05-21 -- OPEN
[14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221)
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/908
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/908
close action-908
<trackbot> Closed action-908.
action-909?
<trackbot> action-909 -- Richard Ishida to Look at
[16]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5030 -- due
2020-05-21 -- OPEN
[16] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5030
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/909
[17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/909
richard: thought chris did a nice job, i18n to look at detail
close action-909
<trackbot> Closed action-909.
richard: think we as a group should look at spec
action-910?
<trackbot> action-910 -- Addison Phillips to Submit issue 901
to web-share -- due 2020-05-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/910
[18] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/910
close action-910
<trackbot> Closed action-910.
action-911?
<trackbot> action-911 -- Fuqiao Xue to Fill in review request
for miniapp -- due 2020-05-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/911
[19] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/911
close action-911
<trackbot> Closed action-911.
Info Share
richard: so this week we held the AC rep meeting
... and there was a talk about i18n
<r12a> [20]https://www.w3.org/2020/05/AC/talk/i18n#align
[20] https://www.w3.org/2020/05/AC/talk/i18n#align
jck: aware of mathematical character flap?
richard: if you had listened to ac meeting, process 2020
... worth watching
... very significant changes to the w3c process
... aim is to make easier to get to rec or stay in cr
<xfq> Slides:
[21]https://florian.rivoal.net/talks/process2020/slides
[21] https://florian.rivoal.net/talks/process2020/slides
richard: don't have to do multiple transitions for small
changes
... can look in TR to find latest
... until now you had to look in editor's copy
... use the editor's copy for experiments
addison: attempting to emulate live specs
richard: implications for us is that we need to get stuff into
TR
... "should be a button press", but isn't quite
... updated the TR version of language enablement index
... will try to change links to TR
... also updated ALreq
... saw that fuqiao did CLreq
... we have a lot of other docs that are not yet FPWD
... all indic
... SEAlreq
... making a list of things for FPWD
... will also start more generally to need to point to TR
<scribe> ACTION: richard: review all repos to see if we need to
publish FPWD or updates
<trackbot> Created ACTION-912 - Review all repos to see if we
need to publish fpwd or updates [on Richard Ishida - due
2020-05-28].
<r12a> [22]https://www.w3.org/International/groups/
[22] https://www.w3.org/International/groups/
[23]https://www.w3.org/TR/?tag=i18n
[23] https://www.w3.org/TR/?tag=i18n
RADAR Review
[24]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
<r12a> 4th thing was that we need to clarify what's happening
with jlreq (Atsushi)
fuqiao: for css colors, didn't find any major issues
... might want to suggest that the glyph overlap issue for
scripts like arabic when text has a transparent color
... it's mentioned
<xfq> [25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/116
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/116
HTML snapshot review
[26]https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4672
[26] https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4672
[27]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020M
ay/0011.html
[27] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020May/0011.html
okay to publish snapshot?
+1
<DavidClarke> +1
<xfq> +1
<r12a> +1
<atsushi> +1
<xfq> [28]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4074
[28] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4074
RESOLUTION: okay to publish HTML snapshot of 2020-01-30
<scribe> ACTION: addison: update HR request github issue for
html snapshot
<trackbot> Created ACTION-913 - Update hr request github issue
for html snapshot [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-05-28].
[29]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/126
[29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/126
[30]https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3077
[30] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3077
close 126; read inputmode for issues in the future
[31]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/652
[31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/652
close 652
[32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/808
[32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/808
[33]https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#strings
[33] https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#strings
A string a is or is identical to a string b if it consists of
the same sequence of code units. Except where otherwise stated,
all string comparisons use is. This type of string comparison
was formerly known as a "case-sensitive" comparison in HTML.
Strings that compare as identical to one another are not only
sensitive to case variation (such as UPPER and lower case), but
also to other code point encoding choices, such as
normalization form or the order o[CUT]
close 808
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: update HR request github issue for html
snapshot
[NEW] ACTION: richard: review all repos to see if we need to
publish FPWD or updates
Summary of Resolutions
1. [34]okay to publish HTML snapshot of 2020-01-30
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
21 May 2020
[2]Agenda
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020May/0009.html">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020May/0009.html</a>
Attendees
Present
addison, Fuqiao, atsushi, Richard, JcK, DavidClarke
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR Review
5. [8]HTML snapshot review
6. [9]AOB?
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
trackbot, prepare teleconference
<agendabot> clear agenda
<scribe> scribenick: addison
Agenda and Minutes
atsushi: final decision on simple-ruby coming
richard: waiting to see the English version to comment on
... the English editorial stuff and also the substantive
changes
atsushi: 2 phases, update of English shortly
... and then review entire document
... first part this week
... and next part next week
Action Items
[12]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open</a>
[12] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open</a>
action-906?
<trackbot> action-906 -- Richard Ishida to Review edits in css
issue 4765 (our 845) and see if we're satisfied -- due
2020-05-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/906">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/906</a>
[13] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/906">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/906</a>
richard: almost satisfied, requested a tweak
close action-906
<trackbot> Closed action-906.
richard: see if "we're" satisfied, but only tracker
action-908?
<trackbot> action-908 -- Fuqiao Xue to Create issue 221 in css
as "needs resolution"
([14]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221</a>) -- due
2020-05-21 -- OPEN
[14] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/221</a>)
<trackbot>
[15]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/908">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/908</a>
[15] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/908">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/908</a>
close action-908
<trackbot> Closed action-908.
action-909?
<trackbot> action-909 -- Richard Ishida to Look at
[16]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5030">https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5030</a> -- due
2020-05-21 -- OPEN
[16] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5030">https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5030</a>
<trackbot>
[17]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/909">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/909</a>
[17] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/909">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/909</a>
richard: thought chris did a nice job, i18n to look at detail
close action-909
<trackbot> Closed action-909.
richard: think we as a group should look at spec
action-910?
<trackbot> action-910 -- Addison Phillips to Submit issue 901
to web-share -- due 2020-05-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/910">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/910</a>
[18] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/910">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/910</a>
close action-910
<trackbot> Closed action-910.
action-911?
<trackbot> action-911 -- Fuqiao Xue to Fill in review request
for miniapp -- due 2020-05-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/911">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/911</a>
[19] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/911">https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/911</a>
close action-911
<trackbot> Closed action-911.
Info Share
richard: so this week we held the AC rep meeting
... and there was a talk about i18n
<r12a> [20]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/2020/05/AC/talk/i18n#align">https://www.w3.org/2020/05/AC/talk/i18n#align</a>
[20] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/2020/05/AC/talk/i18n#align">https://www.w3.org/2020/05/AC/talk/i18n#align</a>
jck: aware of mathematical character flap?
richard: if you had listened to ac meeting, process 2020
... worth watching
... very significant changes to the w3c process
... aim is to make easier to get to rec or stay in cr
<xfq> Slides:
[21]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://florian.rivoal.net/talks/process2020/slides">https://florian.rivoal.net/talks/process2020/slides</a>
[21] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://florian.rivoal.net/talks/process2020/slides">https://florian.rivoal.net/talks/process2020/slides</a>
richard: don't have to do multiple transitions for small
changes
... can look in TR to find latest
... until now you had to look in editor's copy
... use the editor's copy for experiments
addison: attempting to emulate live specs
richard: implications for us is that we need to get stuff into
TR
... "should be a button press", but isn't quite
... updated the TR version of language enablement index
... will try to change links to TR
... also updated ALreq
... saw that fuqiao did CLreq
... we have a lot of other docs that are not yet FPWD
... all indic
... SEAlreq
... making a list of things for FPWD
... will also start more generally to need to point to TR
<scribe> ACTION: richard: review all repos to see if we need to
publish FPWD or updates
<trackbot> Created ACTION-912 - Review all repos to see if we
need to publish fpwd or updates [on Richard Ishida - due
2020-05-28].
<r12a> [22]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/groups/">https://www.w3.org/International/groups/</a>
[22] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/International/groups/">https://www.w3.org/International/groups/</a>
[23]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/?tag=i18n">https://www.w3.org/TR/?tag=i18n</a>
[23] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.w3.org/TR/?tag=i18n">https://www.w3.org/TR/?tag=i18n</a>
RADAR Review
[24]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1</a>
[24] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1</a>
<r12a> 4th thing was that we need to clarify what's happening
with jlreq (Atsushi)
fuqiao: for css colors, didn't find any major issues
... might want to suggest that the glyph overlap issue for
scripts like arabic when text has a transparent color
... it's mentioned
<xfq> [25]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/116">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/116</a>
[25] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/116">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/116</a>
HTML snapshot review
[26]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4672">https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4672</a>
[26] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4672">https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/4672</a>
[27]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020M">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020M</a>
ay/0011.html
[27] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020May/0011.html">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020May/0011.html</a>
okay to publish snapshot?
+1
<DavidClarke> +1
<xfq> +1
<r12a> +1
<atsushi> +1
<xfq> [28]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4074">https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4074</a>
[28] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4074">https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4074</a>
RESOLUTION: okay to publish HTML snapshot of 2020-01-30
<scribe> ACTION: addison: update HR request github issue for
html snapshot
<trackbot> Created ACTION-913 - Update hr request github issue
for html snapshot [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-05-28].
[29]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/126">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/126</a>
[29] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/126">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/126</a>
[30]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3077">https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3077</a>
[30] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3077">https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3077</a>
close 126; read inputmode for issues in the future
[31]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/652">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/652</a>
[31] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/652">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/652</a>
close 652
[32]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/808">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/808</a>
[32] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/808">https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/808</a>
[33]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#strings">https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#strings</a>
[33] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#strings">https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#strings</a>
A string a is or is identical to a string b if it consists of
the same sequence of code units. Except where otherwise stated,
all string comparisons use is. This type of string comparison
was formerly known as a "case-sensitive" comparison in HTML.
Strings that compare as identical to one another are not only
sensitive to case variation (such as UPPER and lower case), but
also to other code point encoding choices, such as
normalization form or the order o[CUT]
close 808
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: update HR request github issue for html
snapshot
[NEW] ACTION: richard: review all repos to see if we need to
publish FPWD or updates
Summary of Resolutions
1. [34]okay to publish HTML snapshot of 2020-01-30
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