Re: Wikipedia at 25: A Wake-Up Call (essay)
Steven Walling via Wikimedia-l <[email protected]> Sat, 2 May 2026 11:04:18 -0700
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 3:10 PM Christophe Henner via Wikimedia-l < [email protected]> wrote: > If I may, I think we need to be much more aggressive in how we address the > situation. And I'm not saying we don't need interactive graphs, we should > have had them years ago, but we need to go further than that. > > The way we grew is by having one product for each "vertical" > (encyclopedia, pictures, data, thesaurus/dictionary, quotes, books, > lessons). And that product is at the same time the content production > platform for editors and the distribution system. > > I believe our mission is twofold: curating/maintaining content AND making > it available. For years, one product was good enough-ish to do both, but > not any longer. > > Distribution is being eaten by AI summaries, featured snippets, and social > platforms. The production side works but is far from being optimal and we > always need to be mindful of both. > > But, if you start considering it first as a production platform, it > unlocks many things and one that becomes magic, the authorization to break > it. The ability to lower our expectations on "perfection" (and tech teams > are mostly delivering quite stable code for such a platform). But that > comes at a cost, speed. It also comes at the cost of piling "problems" > like... mobile editing. > > I now believe that pretending one product can keep doing both is how we > sleepwalk into irrelevance. > > Anyway, I, and many others!, have some very long-term, very theoretical > ideas on the evolution of distribution, but change needs to happen fast and > we do have available quick wins. Not saying those are perfect, but it's to > share what it could look like. > > *Three principles:* > > 1. *Human running the loop is our number one value.* Wikimedia > projects are great, but we have also successfully created something bigger: > communities that across topics, languages, and geographies share a vision > on what quality is. Even with the differences across projects, this is our > biggest achievement. No AI system can replicate community-validated > knowledge with editorial accountability. That's our moat. Not the content > itself, but the human process behind it. > 2. *We are techy nerds and we need to act like it again.* We leveraged > that identity first with wikis, then with Wikidata, then with ORES (we > started working on machine learning in 2015 if I remember correctly!). We > need to stop protecting ourselves from technology and make it work for us. > Invest in innovation truly. Not as gadget but as our edge... like we did in > 2001. > 3. *Invest in ourselves.* I know this is "controversial" but if we > want to be relevant in the future, we need to stop chasing our own tails > and frowning every time we talk about investment. As a movement, we have > resources available or obtainable. We need to get back into a shape where > we trust ourselves to invest in ourselves. This is easier said than done, > and a lot of things need to happen. But they are needed. > > *Three things that can be started tomorrow:* > > 1. *Decide that our projects are production platforms.* The core of > our investment and focus should be to make them as efficient and useful to > all communities as possible. Distribution is a separate problem that needs > separate solutions. > 2. *Put Wikidata and Commons (and Wikifunctions) front and center as > core resources.* I know not all projects are enthusiastic about them > but we do need to work that out because they are each in their own way the > best way to mutualize resources and work across projects. This needs to be > a clear goal and to find out how we make it happen properly together for > each projects. > 3. *Unleash capacities.* Two clear areas of investment: > - *The production platform.* I know we've been focused on using > MediaWiki everywhere. But maybe (or maybe not I'm not the expert) it is > time to consider that it may not be the case anymore and build capacity to > develop and maintain other product lines. And yes it will mean investment > and let go, but sometimes, and, I may be wrong, I feel like we're dragging > Mediawiki a bit at the sweat of some insanely dedicated engineers (perhaps > Mediawiki is the perfect software but I doubt it). > - *AI for editors.* We need to embrace AI, and I know this is a > complex decision. AI-assisted translation across linguistic versions, > AI-powered content gap detection, AI drafts for stub articles reviewed by > humans, AI assistants to help newcomers to navigate rules, CI/CD for our > content to make content reviewing able to absorb high volume of AI slopes > without exhausting users.. The boundaries are to be defined, but we can't > define them without the capacity to experiment. The technical teams and > community have built a lot of very cool tools and infrastructure but we > need to double down. Make it friendlier, easier, more well known, AND with > real AI capabilities made available. Without that, we won't be able to > experiment and finding out how to use AI in ways that work for us will take > ages. > > Those would be a start. With potential quick impact and results. If > anything, the sheer clarity of the road ahead may be enough to move the > needle and open up possibilities for the bigger (more exciting?) challenges > ahead on the future of open knowledge. > > But this stub of a plan starts with a clear, strong decision, and the > first one is to say we consider our projects to be production platforms. > That needs to be made by the Board of Trustees. > > Perhaps it's not the best path. That is fine, but we need a plan and a > path. > > Any plan with any remote chance to keep Wikimedia relevant starts with > clear, strong, and bold decisions by the Board of Trustees. And the "new" > Annual Plan is a continuation of the past. It's not opinionated. It's not > laying a clear path, a clear direction. It feels like a non-decision > relative to a -20% traffic drop YoY. It reads slow and safe. But no > decision is also a decision. The worst one, but still a decision. > > The best time to move was four years ago. The second best time is right > now. > -- > Christophe > I could not agree more strongly with this call to action and proposed plan, Christophe. Shall we move this on wiki like Meta to flesh out more? I would like to help refine this strategy and I think others would as well. Best regards, Steven Walling > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 at 15:41, James Heilman via Wikimedia-l < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> One way we can make Wikipedia better is by adding interactive graphs. We >> have built software to allow about 2,000 of these on all sorts of topics to >> be integrated into Wikipedia. A bunch can be seen on Commons: >> >> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:List_of_interactive_data_graphics >> >> Today we have rolled out code to add initial machine translation support >> to the SVG translation tool. For example: >> >> >> https://svgtranslate.toolforge.org/File:Per_capita_energy_use,_World,_1965.svg >> >> By translating one SVG an interactive graph can be fully translated into >> any language. The source of these graphs, Our World in Data, is only in >> English. We are also developing tools to make keeping these graphs updated >> much simpler. >> >> Many folks within our movement are innovating :-) Best >> James >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 11:43 AM Michael Snow via Wikimedia-l < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 4/29/2026 10:07 PM, Luis Villa via Wikimedia-l wrote: >>> >>> I would go a much different direction. After the 1st quarter, *our >>> strategic process has to start by asking the hardest possible question: >>> what if "reading an encyclopedia" is mostly over, like reading a print >>> newspaper?* In other words, what if our long-term on-wiki readership >>> graph looks like this one? >>> https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/newspapers/ >>> >>> A "print newspaper" is not a valid apples-to-apples comparison, because >>> that phrase combines both the medium and the message and means the data can >>> be dragged down by the limitations of either, or both. The graphs after the >>> first, which leave some hope for the industry in digital subscriptions >>> (hence the proliferation of paywalls in recent years), suggest that the >>> medium is the greater factor in that instance. Having myself been part of a >>> "newspaper" that has never seen the printed page, I would agree. However, >>> as a free knowledge project there are also limits to what we can learn from >>> commercial media, and I'm not suggesting subscriptions are the answer. >>> >>> We seem to have two leading theories to explain our trend. One is more >>> about the medium, that there is a transition from text to audiovisuals. The >>> other is more about the message, that information backed by human >>> authorship is losing ground to synthetically generated equivalents. Either >>> way, the premise is that we have fallen behind somehow. Both may even have >>> a certain truth to them, but if we ask thoughtful questions and have the >>> appropriate data, it should be possible to tease out how much explanatory >>> power they really have. >>> >>> Ultimately, focusing on traffic means that the underlying issue is >>> information discovery online. If you analyze in the direction of the >>> medium, the challenge is the rise of social media as represented by TikTok >>> or Instagram. If you analyze in the direction of the message, the challenge >>> is the rise of artificial intelligence as represented by ChatGPT or Claude. >>> What they share in common, with particular relevance to us, is a bias away >>> from links - they rarely provide any but also rely on them less for their >>> own discovery, utilizing apps/embedding/autoplay instead. The wiki >>> meanwhile has long relied on the link above all else, both as the core of >>> its internal structure and the entry point for its audience. Given that, I >>> think there are difficult questions we need to ask. Like, what does a path >>> to a different core technology look like for us? And, should we get there, >>> what would we still retain of what we started with? >>> >>> The internet is at least middle-aged by now, so it has a decently long >>> history of disintermediation. We are clearly in a significant period of it >>> at present. I believe for a long time, our leading source of discovery has >>> been referrals from search, fittingly enough for link technology. If search >>> is being disintermediated, we should think about what other sources of >>> discovery for the wiki that we can create or promote. But I do wonder, >>> supposing we need some response to the impact of generative AI for us in >>> discovery - how would using generative AI on the content creation side >>> change the discovery equation for us at all? >>> >>> (The medium and the message can also cross-pollinate, but I don't >>> believe that is a particularly critical factor here. If anyone disagrees on >>> that point, they're welcome to demonstrate their case, but I suspect it >>> would simply illustrate that there exists an opposing trend to "print >>> newspaper".) >>> >>> --Michael Snow >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/BQOYBFCEZ4HLOOT3MHHFDDJZFHQDRYOB/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org >> >> >> >> -- >> James Heilman >> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/7PGRAEJ7WJ2K5PLNNA3FIWFMFVAIIMUU/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/LBS54CSCHXR3GJQFX2WRATWWJLJ3EYOY/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/QQKN36GW7TEZNQBPL3EYPSFMDU4JNMGI/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org