Re: Google Zero is coming [was Re: Wikipedia at 25: A Wake-Up Call (essay)]

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Hoi,
It depends what we aim to be. When we expose our references as a start,
when we combine it with what we also have in media and data. When the media
is presented, when the data is presented in an intelligible way, we already
serve the sum of all the knowledge as we have it. We do not pretend to
serve in competition to a Google, we serve enriched information and
Wikipedia is very much served to a new public from a different angle.

When we finally REALLY partner with like minded orgs like Internet Archive,
Open Library, the Biodiversity Heritage Library ... results to their
websites will feature equally prominent. When we REALLY partner with ORCiD,
CrossRef, Retraction Watch our long awaited WikiCite will finally happen.

The way to start is by starting in a Wiki way as we did with Commons. It
started its physical existence like an idea, it then morphed into a working
concept and finally into the project it is today. We do not have to be
perfect, it will not be perfect but we sure as hell can be functional and
draw its own crowd. A crowd that will work in an open environment and
invited to make it different, different for the better and the crowd may
become a more global community.
Thanks,
       GerardM

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 at 18:52, Erik Moeller via Wikimedia-l <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 5:59=E2=80=AFPM James Heilman via Wikimedia-l
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yah a search engine that actually gives real references that supports
> the statements in question would be amazing.
>
> Almost like .. a Knowledge Engine. ;-)
>
> Sadly, the only realistic path I see there would be through
> acquisition, and even if that was financially feasible, you'd begin by
> inheriting a lot of corporate practices that aren't really consistent
> with Wikimedia values.
>
> But perhaps there is a middle ground where Wikimedia seeks to define
> more clearly the terms of engagement that it wants with search engines
> (clear attribution, clear and correct references, calls-to-edit,
> etc.), and then finds and recognizes search partners who implement
> those. To Luis' point, that need not be done by WMF.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Erik
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hoi,<div>It depends what we aim to be. When we expose our =
references as a start, when we combine it with what we also have in media a=
nd data. When the media is presented, when the data is presented in an inte=
lligible=C2=A0way, we already serve the sum of all the knowledge as we have=
 it. We do not pretend to serve in competition to a Google, we serve enrich=
ed information and Wikipedia is very much served to a new public from a dif=
ferent angle.</div><div><br></div><div>When we finally REALLY partner with =
like minded=C2=A0orgs like Internet Archive, Open Library, the=C2=A0Biodive=
rsity Heritage Library ... results to their websites will feature equally p=
rominent. When we REALLY partner with ORCiD, CrossRef, Retraction Watch our=
 long awaited WikiCite will finally happen.</div><div><br></div><div>The wa=
y to start is by starting in a Wiki way as we did with Commons. It started =
its physical=C2=A0existence like an idea, it then morphed into a working co=
ncept and finally into the project it is today. We do not have to be perfec=
t, it will not be perfect but we sure as hell can be functional and draw it=
s own crowd. A crowd that will work in an open environment and invited to m=
ake it different, different for the better and the crowd may become a more =
global community.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ge=
rardM</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 at 18:52, Erik Moeller=
 via Wikimedia-l &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">wik=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 5:59=E2=80=AFPM James H=
eilman via Wikimedia-l<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">wi=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Yah a search engine that actually gives real references that supports =
the statements in question would be amazing.<br>
<br>
Almost like .. a Knowledge Engine. ;-)<br>
<br>
Sadly, the only realistic path I see there would be through<br>
acquisition, and even if that was financially feasible, you&#39;d begin by<=
br>
inheriting a lot of corporate practices that aren&#39;t really consistent<b=
r>
with Wikimedia values.<br>
<br>
But perhaps there is a middle ground where Wikimedia seeks to define<br>
more clearly the terms of engagement that it wants with search engines<br>
(clear attribution, clear and correct references, calls-to-edit,<br>
etc.), and then finds and recognizes search partners who implement<br>
those. To Luis&#39; point, that need not be done by WMF.<br>
<br>
Warmly,<br>
<br>
Erik<br>
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