Re: Working culture of the WMF

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 Thanks for sharing, although I'm cautious about assuming that anonymous
posts on the Internet are true. One point of which this post is a good
reminder, is that an ombudsperson
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ombudsperson> might be good for WMF to
have, and I too recall this being discussed a long time ago, but as far as
I know that position was never filled.

It would be disappointing if unionization is necessary to be able to
express professional internal dissent, and I hope that it's not necessary.
I believe that a certain amount of internal tension and back-and-forth are,
in some regards, helpful in organizations as they are in public on-wiki
discussions. This does not make the discussions easy or risk-free, but I'm
troubled by the conduct described here.

@Bernadette may I ask that you look into this matter, please? Again, I am
not assuming that what was posted was true, but I would feel better if
there was an investigation of what may have happened.

Regards,
Pine=F0=9F=8C=B2


On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 10:11=E2=80=AFAM Hannah Clover via Wikimedia-l <
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> I came across https://wikifired.org/2026/07/20/unethical-conduct today
> and unfortunately it's not the first time I've heard stories of this
> nature. I think it's important that other people are aware of it, too.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smart=
mail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Thanks for sharing, although I&#39;m cautious about assuming that=20
anonymous posts on the Internet are true. One point of which this post=20
is a good reminder, is that an <a href=3D"https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/om=
budsperson">ombudsperson</a> might be good for WMF to=20
have, and I too recall this being discussed a long time ago, but as far=20
as I know that position was never filled.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>It=
=20
would be disappointing if unionization is necessary to be able to=20
express professional internal=20
dissent, and I hope that it&#39;s not necessary. I believe that a certain=
=20
amount of internal tension and back-and-forth are, in some regards,=20
helpful in organizations as they are in public on-wiki discussions.=20
This does not make the discussions easy or risk-free, but I&#39;m troubled=
=20
by the conduct described here.</div><div><br></div><div>@Bernadette may I a=
sk that you look into this matter, please? Again, I am not assuming that wh=
at was posted was true, but I would feel better if there was an investigati=
on of what may have happened.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><=
/div><div>Pine=F0=9F=8C=B2</div>

<br></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_conta=
iner"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 10:11=
=E2=80=AFAM Hannah Clover via Wikimedia-l &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wikimedia-l=
@lists.wikimedia.org">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I ca=
me across=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://wikifired.org/2026/07/20/unethical-conduc=
t" target=3D"_blank">https://wikifired.org/2026/07/20/unethical-conduct</a>=
 today and unfortunately it&#39;s not the first time I&#39;ve heard stories=
 of this nature. I think it&#39;s important that other people are aware of =
it, too.=C2=A0</div>
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