Re: Working culture of the WMF
Kimmo Virtanen via Wikimedia-l <[email protected]> Mon, 27 Jul 2026 08:15:18 +0300
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--===============1717002752831067483== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bfdcfa065790cf57" --000000000000bfdcfa065790cf57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Thanks for sharing, although I'm cautious about assuming that anonymous posts on the Internet are true. To be exact, it was not anonymous. There is a link to the person's LinkedIn page in the About section[1]. Also, some version of the EIR tool can be found here [2] and based on the code it is not the internal version and it was not actively developed branch. It also doesn't contain the code related to how data was collected, combined and derived. (ie. it was only a UI for showing things) However, my educated guesses suggest it uses participation and event data from Event registration tool which is currently proposed to be mandatory for grantees to use for their events[3]. Second educated guess is that EIR is not the current tool they are using but they have something else that generates similar information. (This is also not published on public repositories). Also I think that this kind of use would require some form of data processing/privacy documentation for end users explaining how data is used (ie. people who register to the events), but i didn't find any. From a grantee's perspective, it would be good to have transparent information for example on how stats and impact are calculated and where it affects, as it is currently a black box. [1] https://wikifired.org/about/ [2] https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/toolforge-repos/events-impact-report [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Updating_the_ecosystem_of_Wikimedia_organiz= ations/Recognition_and_Funding_for_Movement_Organizations/Funding_Eligibili= ty Br, -- Kimmo Virtanen, Zache On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 1:44=E2=80=AFAM Pine W via Wikimedia-l < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for sharing, although I'm cautious about assuming that anonymous > posts on the Internet are true. One point of which this post is a good > reminder, is that an ombudsperson > <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ombudsperson> might be good for WMF to > have, and I too recall this being discussed a long time ago, but as far a= s > I know that position was never filled. > > It would be disappointing if unionization is necessary to be able to > express professional internal dissent, and I hope that it's not necessary= . > I believe that a certain amount of internal tension and back-and-forth ar= e, > in some regards, helpful in organizations as they are in public on-wiki > discussions. This does not make the discussions easy or risk-free, but I'= m > troubled by the conduct described here. > > @Bernadette may I ask that you look into this matter, please? Again, I am > not assuming that what was posted was true, but I would feel better if > there was an investigation of what may have happened. > > Regards, > Pine=F0=9F=8C=B2 > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 10:11=E2=80=AFAM Hannah Clover via Wikimedia-l < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I came across https://wikifired.org/2026/07/20/unethical-conduct today >> and unfortunately it's not the first time I've heard stories of this >> nature. I think it's important that other people are aware of it, too. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]= org/message/FA7SFHAKWW4FLTLYLMWASOZBRSBEILNH/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]= rg/message/7MTLTE4M6GV6GBFNBMG7JGJQUANQOOQO/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org --000000000000bfdcfa065790cf57 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">> Thanks for sharing, although I'm cautious about a= ssuming that anonymous posts on the Internet are true.<span>=C2=A0</span><d= iv><span><br></span></div><div><span>To be exact, it was not anonymous. The= re is a link to the person's LinkedIn page in the About section[1]. Als= o, some version of the EIR tool can =C2=A0be found here [2] and based on th= e code it is not the internal version and it was not actively developed bra= nch. It also doesn't contain the code related to how data was collected= , combined and derived. (ie. it was only a UI for showing things)=C2=A0</sp= an></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>However, my educated guesse= s suggest it uses participation and event data from Event registration tool= which is currently proposed to be mandatory for grantees to use for their = events[3]. =C2=A0</span>Second educated guess is that EIR is not the curren= t tool they are using but they have something else that generates similar i= nformation. (This is also not published on public repositories).=C2=A0</div= ><div><br></div><div>Also I think that this kind of use would require some = form of data processing/privacy documentation for end users explaining how = data is used (ie. people who register to the events), but i didn't find= any. From a grantee's perspective, it would be good to have transparen= t information for example on how stats and impact are calculated and where = it affects,=C2=A0as it is currently a black box.</div><div><span><br></span= ></div><div><span>[1]=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://wikifired.org/about/">= https://wikifired.org/about/</a><br>[2] <a href=3D"https://gitlab.wikimedia= .org/toolforge-repos/events-impact-report">https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/too= lforge-repos/events-impact-report</a></div><div>[3]=C2=A0<a href=3D"https:/= /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Updating_the_ecosystem_of_Wikimedia_organizations/= Recognition_and_Funding_for_Movement_Organizations/Funding_Eligibility">htt= ps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Updating_the_ecosystem_of_Wikimedia_organizati= ons/Recognition_and_Funding_for_Movement_Organizations/Funding_Eligibility<= /a></div><div><br></div><div>Br,</div><div>-- Kimmo Virtanen, Zache</div></= div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On= Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 1:44=E2=80=AFAM Pine W via Wikimedia-l <<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">wikimedia-l@list= s.wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad= ding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signat= ure"><div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Thanks for sharing, although I'm cautious about assuming that=20 anonymous posts on the Internet are true. One point of which this post=20 is a good reminder, is that an <a href=3D"https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/om= budsperson" target=3D"_blank">ombudsperson</a> might be good for WMF to=20 have, and I too recall this being discussed a long time ago, but as far=20 as I know that position was never filled.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>It= =20 would be disappointing if unionization is necessary to be able to=20 express professional internal=20 dissent, and I hope that it's not necessary. I believe that a certain= =20 amount of internal tension and back-and-forth are, in some regards,=20 helpful in organizations as they are in public on-wiki discussions.=20 This does not make the discussions easy or risk-free, but I'm troubled= =20 by the conduct described here.</div><div><br></div><div>@Bernadette may I a= sk that you look into this matter, please? Again, I am not assuming that wh= at was posted was true, but I would feel better if there was an investigati= on of what may have happened.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><= /div><div>Pine=F0=9F=8C=B2</div> <br></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"= class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 10:11=E2=80=AFAM Hannah Clove= r via Wikimedia-l <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" ta= rget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl= ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef= t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I came acr= oss=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://wikifired.org/2026/07/20/unethical-conduct" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://wikifired.org/2026/07/20/unethical-conduct</a> today= and unfortunately it's not the first time I've heard stories of th= is nature. I think it's important that other people are aware of it, to= o.=C2=A0</div> _______________________________________________<br> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= rg" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>, guidelines at: <= a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines" rel=3D"= noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists= /Guidelines</a> and <a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l"= rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim= edia-l</a><br> Public archives at <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/w= [email protected]/message/FA7SFHAKWW4FLTLYLMWASOZBRSBEILNH/" r= el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/= list/[email protected]/message/FA7SFHAKWW4FLTLYLMWASOZBRSBEIL= NH/</a><br> To unsubscribe send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ikimedia.org" target=3D"_blank">wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org</a></= blockquote></div> _______________________________________________<br> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= rg" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>, guidelines at: <= a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines" rel=3D"= noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists= /Guidelines</a> and <a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l"= rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim= edia-l</a><br> Public archives at <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/w= [email protected]/message/7MTLTE4M6GV6GBFNBMG7JGJQUANQOOQO/" r= el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/= list/[email protected]/message/7MTLTE4M6GV6GBFNBMG7JGJQUANQOO= QO/</a><br> To unsubscribe send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ikimedia.org" target=3D"_blank">wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org</a></= blockquote></div> --000000000000bfdcfa065790cf57-- --===============1717002752831067483== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/2JWFKHV7CI245HIU4ZBYCAUHYXSU7MEY/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org --===============1717002752831067483==--