Re: NPOV and NOR as a local or a global policies onWikibooks?

>From: "Milos Rancic" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: Wikimedia textbook discussion <[email protected]>
>To: "Wikimedia textbook discussion" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] NPOV and NOR as a local or a global policies 
>onWikibooks?
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:39:41 +0100
>
>- Wikibooks and/or Wikiversity allow POV and OR for art analysis. This
>is the best solution because we will have one community. Also,
>realization of the goal "free education" will stay inside of the
>projects which aim to work on this goal.

Every field, not just art, contains people who criticise and interpret the 
works of others. In economics, for instance, where people make financial 
decisions based on interpretation of data and also intent. Engineering, also 
teaches students to use arbitrary, personally selected metrics for 
optimizing designs. My point is that art is not a special case of this, and 
allowing OR and POV for teaching art for these reasons would require an 
abandonment of the policies completely. In many instances, OR and POV might 
be nice. They should not, however, be permitted on Wikibooks.

>- Wikimedia makes another project for such purpose (something like
>"wikiartstudies"). This is something like a "middle solution" because
>we will have de jure one community, but de facto two. Realization of
>the goal "free education" will be outside of Wikibooks and
>Wikiversity, but inside of Wikimedia.

Again, my point above that art is not special, and no one particular 
discipline requires it's own special wiki. You can suggest this on meta, i 
doubt the proposal will get far.

>- The worst solution is to try to find a solution out of Wikimedia
>(i.e. Wikia or anything else) because we will have both de jure and de
>facto different communities. Realization of the goal will be outside
>of both -- projects and Wikimedia.

So then a solution needs to be found in wikimedia. I think you don't 
understand the difference between explaining of an opinion (especially a 
common opinion), and the statement of that opinion as if it were fact. NPOV 
requires only that opinions not be treated as facts, and we can discuss art 
criticisms from an purely NPOV, academic background.

--Andrew Whitworth (Whiteknight)
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