Re: [Foundation-l] Rethinking brands

Although I agree with you, Sanford, with wikibooks, a teacher, parent,
school, district, or state can take it, leave it, or adapt it for their
needs.

I'm  looking for open curriculum or anything like that out on the web and
there really isn't anything right now.  The South African stuff is a
structure but there isn't anything there for a teacher to use, let alone
adapt.

-kathy 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sanford Forte [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:07 AM
To: Wikimedia textbook discussion
Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] [Foundation-l] Rethinking brands

The essential challenge is to get end product into the K-12 education
channel, in a way that 1) meshes with the requirements set by state
education departments to strictly adhere to curriculum frameworks; 2) devise
effective means to inform the established K-12 education community that #1
has been completed (on a subject by subject basis); and, 3) establish a
means to distribution of materials *in print* that is easy to access.

Content is decidedly _not_ the problem. The real problems are logistics and
effective project management toward a goal of completing the above,

Cheers,
Sanford

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On May 11, 2007, at 10:28 AM, KH wrote:

> I was under the impression that wikibooks would also include textbooks 
> for k-12.  Normally, k-3 don't have traditional texts because many are 
> still learning to read.  Later, they read to learn.  So much of the 
> "textbook" is
> really worksheets, pictures, and planned lectures and activities.   
> Actually,
> a better word to use for k-3 is curriculum, not textbooks. But I've 
> read we are not supposed to do curriculum.
>
> Soooo, I'm not sure what wikibooks really is.  Here is where I got my 
> info:
>
> http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/003069.shtml
>
> Although dated 8/05, it seems Mr. Wales had a definite vision:
>
> "The second thing that will be free is a complete curriculum (in all
> languages) from Kindergarten through the University level. There are 
> several projects underway to make this a reality, including our own 
> Wikibooks project, but of course this is a much bigger job than the 
> encyclopedia, and it will take much longer."
>
> Curriculum, by definition, is a package.  It can include textbooks but 
> certain goes beyond that to worksheets, teacher planning, activities, 
> etc.
> I would love to redo the SRA Direct Instruction curriculum in 
> wikibooks so that parents AND teachers have an option for 
> scientificially based curriculum.  But according to new definitions, 
> I'm not sure wikibooks is an appropriate place.  Under the old 
> definition from the website listed above, it is.
>
>
> -Kathy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Florence Devouard wrote:
>> I, for one, think it is great to work on better defining the mission 
>> of Wikibooks. I have one question though, do you know if the 
>> definition worked upon is generally shared with other wikibooks 
>> people ? Are they other wikibooks that have worked on such a 
>> definition, and where the outcome differs widely from yours ?
>>
>> ant
>
> At last count 18 people supported it and 7 people objected to it.  
> As others
> have already said, some disagree on limiting English Wikibooks to just 
> textbooks, how much emphases on textbooks be be given, whether or not 
> it should be a policy or guideline and some have concerns on the 
> clarity of the proposal.
>
> There is quite a difference from English Wikibooks' current version 
> and the German version. Google's German to English translation of the 
> German Wikibooks version:
> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%
> 2Fde.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki
> %2FHilfe%3AWas_Wikibooks_ist&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
>
> There have been previous proposals on English Wikibooks to redefine 
> the current policy as well, before they were merged together:
> http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php? 
> title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
> le&oldid=600961
> http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php? 
> title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
> le&oldid=665481
> http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php? 
> title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
> le&oldid=665488
>
> that AFAIK, were abandoned before ever getting to the point of seeking 
> input from the community to accept or reject them.
>
> --darklama
>
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