Re: [Foundation-l] Rethinking brands

Sorry Sanford, I think too much coffee has muddled my brain.  I'm not sure
what you mean but I'm very, very interested in getting your point.

-Kathy 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sanford Forte [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Wikimedia textbook discussion
Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] [Foundation-l] Rethinking brands

Hi, Kathy,

The irony here is that materials that are created in a way that meshes with
already-approved state curriculum frameworks are _also_ available to "a
teacher, parent, school, district, or state can take it, leave it, or adapt
it for their needs".

Cheers,
Sanford


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On May 11, 2007, at 11:16 AM, KH wrote:

> Although I agree with you, Sanford, with wikibooks, a teacher, parent, 
> school, district, or state can take it, leave it, or adapt it for 
> their needs.
>
> I'm  looking for open curriculum or anything like that out on the web 
> and there really isn't anything right now.  The South African stuff is 
> a structure but there isn't anything there for a teacher to use, let 
> alone adapt.
>
> -kathy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sanford Forte [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: Wikimedia textbook discussion
> Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] [Foundation-l] Rethinking brands
>
> The essential challenge is to get end product into the K-12 education 
> channel, in a way that 1) meshes with the requirements set by state 
> education departments to strictly adhere to curriculum frameworks;
> 2) devise
> effective means to inform the established K-12 education community 
> that #1 has been completed (on a subject by subject basis); and, 3) 
> establish a means to distribution of materials *in print* that is easy 
> to access.
>
> Content is decidedly _not_ the problem. The real problems are 
> logistics and effective project management toward a goal of completing 
> the above,
>
> Cheers,
> Sanford
>
> ***************************************
> Sanford Forte, Director
> California Open Source Texbook Project Palo Alto, CA 
> [email protected]
> 650-321-9152 (Office)
> 650-888-0077 (Mobile)
>
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 10:28 AM, KH wrote:
>
>> I was under the impression that wikibooks would also include 
>> textbooks for k-12.  Normally, k-3 don't have traditional texts 
>> because many are still learning to read.  Later, they read to learn.  
>> So much of the "textbook" is really worksheets, pictures, and planned 
>> lectures and activities.
>> Actually,
>> a better word to use for k-3 is curriculum, not textbooks. But I've 
>> read we are not supposed to do curriculum.
>>
>> Soooo, I'm not sure what wikibooks really is.  Here is where I got my
>> info:
>>
>> http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/003069.shtml
>>
>> Although dated 8/05, it seems Mr. Wales had a definite vision:
>>
>> "The second thing that will be free is a complete curriculum (in all
>> languages) from Kindergarten through the University level. There are 
>> several projects underway to make this a reality, including our own 
>> Wikibooks project, but of course this is a much bigger job than the 
>> encyclopedia, and it will take much longer."
>>
>> Curriculum, by definition, is a package.  It can include textbooks 
>> but certain goes beyond that to worksheets, teacher planning, 
>> activities, etc.
>> I would love to redo the SRA Direct Instruction curriculum in 
>> wikibooks so that parents AND teachers have an option for 
>> scientificially based curriculum.  But according to new definitions, 
>> I'm not sure wikibooks is an appropriate place.  Under the old 
>> definition from the website listed above, it is.
>>
>>
>> -Kathy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Florence Devouard wrote:
>>> I, for one, think it is great to work on better defining the mission 
>>> of Wikibooks. I have one question though, do you know if the 
>>> definition worked upon is generally shared with other wikibooks 
>>> people ? Are they other wikibooks that have worked on such a 
>>> definition, and where the outcome differs widely from yours ?
>>>
>>> ant
>>
>> At last count 18 people supported it and 7 people objected to it.
>> As others
>> have already said, some disagree on limiting English Wikibooks to 
>> just textbooks, how much emphases on textbooks be be given, whether 
>> or not it should be a policy or guideline and some have concerns on 
>> the clarity of the proposal.
>>
>> There is quite a difference from English Wikibooks' current version 
>> and the German version. Google's German to English translation of the 
>> German Wikibooks version:
>> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%
>> 2Fde.wikibooks.org%2Fwiki
>> %2FHilfe%3AWas_Wikibooks_ist&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
>>
>> There have been previous proposals on English Wikibooks to redefine 
>> the current policy as well, before they were merged together:
>> http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?
>> title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
>> le&oldid=600961
>> http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?
>> title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
>> le&oldid=665481
>> http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?
>> title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks/Unstab
>> le&oldid=665488
>>
>> that AFAIK, were abandoned before ever getting to the point of 
>> seeking input from the community to accept or reject them.
>>
>> --darklama
>>
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