Re: Wikibook User Arbitration

>What I've done here is turn this into a formal debate.  While prehaps we
>can change the terms "plaintiff" and "defendant", the purpose here is to
>allow everybody to air their concerns and grievences in a public manner
>that can be reviewed later on by all parties involved, and by those
>chared with oversight of this project, including other administrators,
>stewards, and ultimately the WMF board of trustees.

I want to make this perfectly clear right now, I do like the way you are 
going about this process. This arbitration hearing has been set up in a 
clear, well-defined way that does give everybody a shot to talk.  Barring 
the use of some specific terminology, I think the process is a good general 
model to use in the future.

What I don't like, (and what Johnny has been pointing out), is that Johnny 
himself served as a moderator in this situation (between Darklama and 
Panic). Panic asked Johnny (and myself) to come in and moderate the 
discussion. Johnny's decision was that Panic was in the wrong, and his 
continued bad behavior warranted a block.

What this arbitration hearing is doing, is essentially punishing (or 
threatening to punish) Johnny for acting as a volunteer moderator for Panic 
in the first place. Panic didn't like the outcome, but that's tough beans: 
He asked for a moderator because he wanted to maintain unilateral control 
over his book, but what he got was a punishment instead. We're creating a 
precedent where moderation and arbitration can be appealed ad infinitum 
until everybody gives up or storms off. Somewhere we need to say "A decision 
has already been made on this issue, and we need to stand by our decisions". 
Don't think for an instant that if you agree with Johnny and have panic 
blocked, that  he won't appeal higher up the chain (WMF intervention?) to 
have you de-admined as well. Maybe he won't succeed, but tell me having your 
adminship on the line over this won't upset you pretty badly as well?

--Andrew Whitworth

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