Re: Fink-beginners Digest, Vol 217, Issue 1
Edward R Kinney via Fink-beginners <[email protected]> Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:22:10 +0000
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From: [email protected] <fink-beginners-request@= lists.sourceforge.net> Date: Saturday, December 21, 2024 at 5:50 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected].= net> Subject: Fink-beginners Digest, Vol 217, Issue 1 [External email - use caution] Send Fink-beginners mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2= Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Ffink-beginners&data=3D05%7C02%7= CEdward.Kinney%40colorado.edu%7C63a47c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b= 070d462982e4c0b019f46057%7C1%7C0%7C638703822445265427%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb= 3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFp= bCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3D6x02vg3cQOWt75gGjHuRg07AVFmL%2FaZ= qHMOrNX9B%2BpM%3D&reserved=3D0<https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo= /fink-beginners> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fink-beginners digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fink selfupdate doesn't work after upgrading to MacOSX 14.7 (Hanspeter Niederstrasser) 2. Re: macOS Sonoma14.7 and newer version of FInk? (Hanspeter Niederstrasser) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 05:22:33 -0600 From: Hanspeter Niederstrasser <[email protected]> To: James Kolata <[email protected]>, fink-beginners <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Fink-beginners] Fink selfupdate doesn't work after upgrading to MacOSX 14.7 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed On 11/19/24 2:45 PM, James Kolata via Fink-beginners wrote: > Here is the error message: > > 14.7 does not match the expected value of 14.6. Please run `fink selfupda= te` to download a newer version of fink at /opt/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.= pm line 1450. > > This message comes up whenever I try to do a fink selfupdate so the comme= nt is not helpful. > > > I?ve seen this before a while ago but don?t remember how to fix it. I th= ink I migjt have to edit the Services.pm file, but I?m not sure > exactly how. Unfortunately, there's a bug[1] in the fink update code that's causing a deadlock (the installed Fink that doesn't know about 14.7 needs to know about 14.7 in order fetch the version that runs on 14.7. oops). The current workaround is to manually copy a patched version of the buggy file into /opt/sw2, then selfupdate should work and get you going. Download this file: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fraw.git= hubusercontent.com%2Ffink%2Ffink%2Frefs%2Fheads%2Fmaster%2Fperlmod%2FFink%2= FServices.pm&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40colorado.edu%7C63a47c7a73224a= f5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019f46057%7C1%7C0%7C63870382244= 5287842%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCI= sIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3DGuRZ= qg1%2BB3U7xuKF0FH2HeZc4UTsw%2BG5LubMeX8dYzc%3D&reserved=3D0<https://raw.git= hubusercontent.com/fink/fink/refs/heads/master/perlmod/Fink/Services.pm> And save it to /opt/sw2/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm `fink selfupdate` should work again [1] bug: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%= 2Fgithub.com%2Ffink%2Ffink%2Fissues%2F266&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40= colorado.edu%7C63a47c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b01= 9f46057%7C1%7C0%7C638703822445301134%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcG= kiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D= %3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3DkN5j1jTwQxBZNY7373bsE32efQxaXJ8nlh3qf2AhM7A%3D&res= erved=3D0<https://github.com/fink/fink/issues/266> Hanspeter -- In theory, theory and practice are the same thing. In practice, theory is just practice. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 05:27:10 -0600 From: Hanspeter Niederstrasser <[email protected]> To: [email protected], Fink-beginners <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Fink-beginners] macOS Sonoma14.7 and newer version of FInk? Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed a_sk--- via Fink-beginners wrote: > After update macOS Sonoma14.6.1 to 14.7 today; > > I've just run the following. > > $ fink selfupdate-git > > 14.7 does not match the expected value of 14.6. Please run `fink selfupda= te` to download a newer version of fink at /opt/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.= pm line 1450. > > /opt/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm > 1450 die "$sw_vers does not match the expected va= lue of $darwin_osx. Please run `fink selfupdate` to download a newer versio= n of fink?; > > What is the a newer version of fink?;?? Do we need newer Fink? If that?= s the case, what kinds? > > (Note) CLT 15.3, Xcode 15.3, exactly the same one as macOS Sonoma14.6.1 Unfortunately, there's a bug[1] in the fink update code that's causing a deadlock (the installed Fink that doesn't know about 14.7 needs to know about 14.7 in order fetch the version that runs on 14.7. oops). The current workaround is to manually copy a patched version of the buggy file into /opt/sw, then selfupdate should work and get you going. Download this file: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fraw.git= hubusercontent.com%2Ffink%2Ffink%2Frefs%2Fheads%2Fmaster%2Fperlmod%2FFink%2= FServices.pm&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40colorado.edu%7C63a47c7a73224a= f5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019f46057%7C1%7C0%7C63870382244= 5316194%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCI= sIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3D9YLC= iMT0IgzeaW7WmtGVxQge9os1%2FaJVrsaEfwwvjbg%3D&reserved=3D0<https://raw.githu= busercontent.com/fink/fink/refs/heads/master/perlmod/Fink/Services.pm> And save it to /opt/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm `fink selfupdate` should work again [1] bug: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%= 2Fgithub.com%2Ffink%2Ffink%2Fissues%2F266&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40= colorado.edu%7C63a47c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b01= 9f46057%7C1%7C0%7C638703822445334612%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcG= kiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D= %3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3DK2yV9p78uvv5Oh2lG5T0tc9Zf9a2vFukrGF8R4Hfl9c%3D&res= erved=3D0<https://github.com/fink/fink/issues/266> Hanspeter -- Hanlon's Razor Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fink-beginners mailing list [email protected] https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnews.gma= ne.org%2Fgmane.os.apple.fink.beginners&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40col= orado.edu%7C63a47c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019f4= 6057%7C1%7C0%7C638703822445351913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiO= nRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D= %7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3Dev3nvc47YeznYsbdqcwuSZ9Kgh8zYiKTZ%2FCLVZFFsMc%3D&rese= rved=3D0<http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.beginners> ------------------------------ End of Fink-beginners Digest, Vol 217, Issue 1 ********************************************** --_000_DM6PR03MB51795F4816A77ADDA660043286002DM6PR03MB5179namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:sc= hemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/of= fice/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Aptos; panose-1:2 11 0 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt; mso-ligatures:none;} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style> </head> <body lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:brea= k-word"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Thanks! This fixed = my 13.7 issue as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></= span></p> <div id=3D"mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"fon= t-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">fink-beginners-requ= [email protected] <[email protected]&= gt;<br> <b>Date: </b>Saturday, December 21, 2024 at 5:50 AM<br> <b>To: </b>[email protected] <[email protected]= urceforge.net><br> <b>Subject: </b>Fink-beginners Digest, Vol 217, Issue 1<o:p></o:p></span></= p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">[External email - u= se caution]<br> <br> <br> Send Fink-beginners mailing list submissions to<br> [email protected]= .net<br> <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourcef= orge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.= outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2= Ffink-beginners&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40colorado.edu%7C63a47c7= a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019f46057%7C1%7C0%7C6387= 03822445265427%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAu= MDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&s= data=3D6x02vg3cQOWt75gGjHuRg07AVFmL%2FaZqHMOrNX9B%2BpM%3D&reserved=3D0<= /a><br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> [email protected]= rceforge.net<br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br> [email protected]= eforge.net<br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of Fink-beginners digest..."<br> <br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> 1. Re: Fink selfupdate doesn't work after upgrading to MacOSX<= br> 14.7 (Hanspeter Niederstrasser)<br> 2. Re: macOS Sonoma14.7 and newer version of FInk?<br> (Hanspeter Niederstrasser)<br> <br> <br> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 05:22:33 -0600<br> From: Hanspeter Niederstrasser <[email protected]><br> To: James Kolata <[email protected]>, fink-beginners<br> <[email protected]= orge.net><br> Subject: Re: [Fink-beginners] Fink selfupdate doesn't work after<br> upgrading to MacOSX 14.7<br> Message-ID: <[email protected]><= br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed<br> <br> On 11/19/24 2:45 PM, James Kolata via Fink-beginners wrote:<br> > Here is the error message:<br> ><br> > 14.7 does not match the expected value of 14.6. Please run `fink selfu= pdate` to download a newer version of fink at /opt/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Servic= es.pm line 1450.<br> ><br> > This message comes up whenever I try to do a fink selfupdate so the co= mment is not helpful.<br> ><br> ><br> > I?ve seen this before a while ago but don?t remember how to fix it.&nb= sp; I think I migjt have to edit the Services.pm file, but I?m not sure<br> > exactly how.<br> <br> Unfortunately, there's a bug[1] in the fink update code that's causing a<br= > deadlock (the installed Fink that doesn't know about 14.7 needs to know<br> about 14.7 in order fetch the version that runs on 14.7. oops). The<br> current workaround is to manually copy a patched version of the buggy<br> file into /opt/sw2, then selfupdate should work and get you going.<br> <br> Download this file:<br> <a href=3D"https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fink/fink/refs/heads/master/pe= rlmod/Fink/Services.pm">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= =3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fraw.githubusercontent.com%2Ffink%2Ffink%2Frefs%2Fheads%2Fm= aster%2Fperlmod%2FFink%2FServices.pm&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40c= olorado.edu%7C63a47c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019= f46057%7C1%7C0%7C638703822445287842%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGk= iOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%= 3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3DGuRZqg1%2BB3U7xuKF0FH2HeZc4UTsw%2BG5LubMeX8dYzc= %3D&reserved=3D0</a><br> <br> And save it to /opt/sw2/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm<br> <br> `fink selfupdate` should work again<br> <br> [1] bug: <a href=3D"https://github.com/fink/fink/issues/266">https://nam10.= safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Ffink%2Ff= ink%2Fissues%2F266&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40colorado.edu%7C63a4= 7c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019f46057%7C1%7C0%7C6= 38703822445301134%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwL= jAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&am= p;sdata=3DkN5j1jTwQxBZNY7373bsE32efQxaXJ8nlh3qf2AhM7A%3D&reserved=3D0</= a><br> <br> Hanspeter<br> <br> --<br> In theory, theory and practice are the same thing.<br> In practice, theory is just practice.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 2<br> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 05:27:10 -0600<br> From: Hanspeter Niederstrasser <[email protected]><br> To: [email protected], Fink-beginners <[email protected]>= ;<br> Subject: Re: [Fink-beginners] macOS Sonoma14.7 and newer version of<br> FInk?<br> Message-ID: <[email protected]><= br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed<br> <br> a_sk--- via Fink-beginners wrote:<br> > After update macOS Sonoma14.6.1 to 14.7 today;<br> ><br> > I've just run the following.<br> ><br> > $ fink selfupdate-git<br> ><br> > 14.7 does not match the expected value of 14.6. Please run `fink selfu= pdate` to download a newer version of fink at /opt/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Servic= es.pm line 1450.<br> ><br> > /opt/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm<br> > 1450 = &nb= sp; die "$sw_vers does not match the expected value of $darwin_osx. Pl= ease run `fink selfupdate` to download a newer version of fink?;<br> ><br> > What is the a newer version of fink?;?? Do we need newer Fink?&n= bsp; If that?s the case, what kinds?<br> ><br> > (Note) CLT 15.3, Xcode 15.3, exactly the same one as macOS Sonoma14.6.= 1<br> <br> Unfortunately, there's a bug[1] in the fink update code that's causing a<br= > deadlock (the installed Fink that doesn't know about 14.7 needs to know<br> about 14.7 in order fetch the version that runs on 14.7. oops). The<br> current workaround is to manually copy a patched version of the buggy<br> file into /opt/sw, then selfupdate should work and get you going.<br> <br> Download this file:<br> <a href=3D"https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fink/fink/refs/heads/master/pe= rlmod/Fink/Services.pm">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= =3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fraw.githubusercontent.com%2Ffink%2Ffink%2Frefs%2Fheads%2Fm= aster%2Fperlmod%2FFink%2FServices.pm&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40c= olorado.edu%7C63a47c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019= f46057%7C1%7C0%7C638703822445316194%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGk= iOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%= 3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3D9YLCiMT0IgzeaW7WmtGVxQge9os1%2FaJVrsaEfwwvjbg%3= D&reserved=3D0</a><br> <br> And save it to /opt/sw/lib/perl5/Fink/Services.pm<br> <br> `fink selfupdate` should work again<br> <br> [1] bug: <a href=3D"https://github.com/fink/fink/issues/266">https://nam10.= safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Ffink%2Ff= ink%2Fissues%2F266&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40colorado.edu%7C63a4= 7c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019f46057%7C1%7C0%7C6= 38703822445334612%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwL= jAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&am= p;sdata=3DK2yV9p78uvv5Oh2lG5T0tc9Zf9a2vFukrGF8R4Hfl9c%3D&reserved=3D0</= a><br> <br> Hanspeter<br> <br> --<br> Hanlon's Razor<br> Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by<br> stupidity.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Subject: Digest Footer<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Fink-beginners mailing list<br> [email protected]<br> <a href=3D"http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.beginners">https://nam= 10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fnews.gmane.org%2Fgm= ane.os.apple.fink.beginners&data=3D05%7C02%7CEdward.Kinney%40colorado.e= du%7C63a47c7a73224af5994208dd21be1369%7C3ded8b1b070d462982e4c0b019f46057%7C= 1%7C0%7C638703822445351913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUs= IlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C= %7C%7C&sdata=3Dev3nvc47YeznYsbdqcwuSZ9Kgh8zYiKTZ%2FCLVZFFsMc%3D&res= erved=3D0</a><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> End of Fink-beginners Digest, Vol 217, Issue 1<br> **********************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_DM6PR03MB51795F4816A77ADDA660043286002DM6PR03MB5179namp_-- --===============7020165838491708801== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --===============7020165838491708801== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Fink-beginners mailing list [email protected] List archive: https://sourceforge.net/p/fink/mailman/fink-users/ Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners --===============7020165838491708801==--