Re: 64-bit RPi4B u-boot hangup with modern rpi firmware: some information (but investigative-toolbox limited)

On 2020-Oct-14, at 05:22, Mark Millard <marklmi at yahoo.com> wrote:



> On 2020-Oct-14, at 01:08, Mark Millard <marklmi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-Oct-14, at 00:22, Mark Millard <marklmi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2020-Oct-13, at 23:18, Klaus Cucinauomo <maciphone2 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Am 14.10.2020 um 07:52 schrieb Mark Millard <[email protected]>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> …...FreeBSD requires services from
>>>>> armstub8-gic.bin that are not otherwise present as things
>>>>> are (or that is my understanding).
>>>> 
>>>> as of today:  correct understanding
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ... I'll test vintages of start4*.elf and fixup4*.dat
>>>>> pairs and see if that identifies a specific set of changes
>>>>> to them...
> 
> The 2020-07-17 firmware commit activity (either place's
> copies):
> 
> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commits/542aceb
> and:
> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/commits/7059841 
> 
> appear to be the last firmware update to work with
> armstub8-gic.bin and u-boot.bin . Everything more recent
> that I've tried fails by hanging with the rainbow showing.
> 
> This matches up with the:
> 
> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/1445
> 
> reference.

The comments for that issue from one of the fedorapeople.org
people note that Fedora is having problems as well. Fedora
does not use an armstub*.bin but uses u-boot and grub2.

Basically, it looks like all firmware versions after the
2020-07-17 firmware referenced above are problematical and
until the firmware has various issues adjusted/fixed, not
having a problem is somewhat more accidental than one would
hope.

At this point, for the known issues, elimination of
armstub8-gic.bin is not a general solution to the specific
problems. (That need not have long term implications,
however.)

> A side note is that the ubuntu 2020.04.1 LTS firmware
> are actually from 2020-06-01 firmware commit activity:
> 
> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commits/f382cc1
> and:
> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/commits/b2aabc3
> 
>>>> IIRC „we" can hack armstubs but  we cannot hack  start4*.elf &  fixup4*.dat ,
>>>> but you can take a hexdump of start4*.elf  to compare changes  if you feel like it,
>>>> while I doubt that will easy find the cause(s)..
>>> 
>>> hexdump comparisons is not something I'm likely to do and is
>>> not what I said I was going to do.
>>> 
>>> Types of changes are identified by the commit notes. It is
>>> possible with what I'm doing that a firmware problem would
>>> be identified that the rpi folks would work on. (Not
>>> claiming to know it is likely or anything.)
>> 
>> Turns out that FreeBSD is not the only context with problems,
>> others not involving armstub8-gic.bin or FreeBSD at all are
>> also having (a sequence of) problems. See, for example, the
>> sequence of notes in:
>> 
>> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/1445
>> 
>> where problems showed up in contexts using edk2's uefi
>> for RPi4's and, separately, for RPi3's.
>> 
>> The known issues are being worked on. (I've no evidence
>> at this point relative to sufficiency for FreeBSD's context.)
>> 
>>> I've already reported on the lists a patch for u-boot 2020.10
>>> not avoiding stomping on memory owned by the armstub8-gic.bin
>>> that FreeBSD uses. (It is not guaranteed to stomp on such
>>> memory either: u-boot just does not reserve the memory area
>>> that it should and so treats it as available for potential
>>> use.)
>>> 
>>> If I had only focused on armstub8-gic.bin I never would have
>>> found that problem. (Of course, if armstub8-gic.bin ends up
>>> eliminated, the problem I found goes away too.)
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, the patch does not fix the symptoms that
>>> started this effort but the defect could lead to problems.
>> 
> 

===
Mark Millard
marklmi at yahoo.com
( dsl-only.net went
away in early 2018-Mar)

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