Re: freebsd-mobile Digest, Vol 539, Issue 2

Very helpful conversation taking place here.

Is anyone currently running 10.1 on a Thinkpad x230? This seems to be the last in a series of otherwise wonderfully mobile work horses. The x240 now has soldered RAM among other issues.

M

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>    1. Re: Buying a laptop (Joseph Mingrone)
>    2. Re: Buying a laptop - used (Ian Smith)
>    3. Introduction (R0B_ROD)
>    4. Re: Buying a laptop (Kevin Oberman)
>    5. Re: Buying a laptop (Adrian Chadd)
>    6. Re: Buying a laptop (Joseph Mingrone)
>    7. HP 2B19WM PCI-E SD Reader (R0B_ROD)
>    8. Re: Introduction (John-Mark Gurney)
>    9. Re: Introduction (R0B_ROD)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 10:32:47 -0400
> From: Joseph Mingrone <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Buying a laptop
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> 
> I also have had mostly positive experience with many Thinkpads.  Note I
> said Thinkpads and not Lenovos.
> 
> Erich Dollansky <[email protected]> writes:
>> I use an Lenovo X220 with 10.1 since nearly three years.
> 
> I also have an X220, running a recent 10-STABLE.  Pretty much everything
> works including wireless with the Intel Centrino Advanced-N
> 6205 and suspend and resume.  I haven't figured out how to control the
> brightness and there is an annoying BIOS (bug/feature).  You can't
> legacy boot from a GPT-partitioned disk without UEFI.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 03:50:52 +1100 (EST)
> From: Ian Smith <[email protected]>
> To: parv <[email protected]>
> Cc: arnab bhowmick <[email protected]>,
> 	[email protected]
> Subject: Re: Buying a laptop - used
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> On Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:14:58 -1000, parv wrote:
>  > in message <[email protected]>,
>  > wrote Ian Smith thusly...
>  > >
>  > 
>  > Hi Ian,
> 
> Aloha parv!
> 
>  > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 04:51:30 -1000, Parv wrote:
>  > ...
>  > >  > I am currently using a used Lenovo Thinkpad X200 with FreeBSD
>  > >  > 8. I have not tried using or setting at all any suspend-resume
>  > >  > setting. A 9-celll battery ([0], "47++", apparently bought new
>  > >  > about 2-3 years ago along with the 'puter) lasts for 4.5 hours.
>  > >
>  > > I bought a used X200 a year ago without AC adaptor or battery, so
>  > > bought it a new 6-cell battery (47+) and 65W P/S (about AU$150).
>  > > Using powerd - but not p4tcc or acpi_throttle - it runs almost 6
>  > > hours on battery just idling and over 4 hours with moderate use,
>  > 
>  > Sweet, Ian! Which version of FreeBSD are you running? 8-STABLE is on
>  > my X200 for now; have been thinking (for a while) to update to
>  > 10-STABLE.
> 
> Presently 9.3-R sources, GENERIC plus a couple of patches and 9.2-R xorg 
> and ports; too busy with other projects to update it and it's not broke.
> 
>  > > so your 9-cell battery may be getting a bit old, and/or you
>  > > haven't optimised power usage?
>  > 
>  > No, I have not used any power related things in FreeBSD itself. I do
>  > have BIOS setup to maximum performance when connected to AC power;
>  > optimize battery otherwise. One thing I am not sure is what happens
>  > when booted up on battery & some time later connect to AC, and vice
>  > versa.
> 
> Below I'll include a small script that shows what's going on in that 
> respect.  I don't think the BIOS AC/battery performance settings have 
> any effect at all in FreeBSD, but this script will tell you for sure.
> 
>  > In any case I will try powered, and possibly other things.
> 
> https://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption is a good place to 
> start.  Alexander goes to extremes - and doubles battery life - but the 
> big ones are running powerd to only rev up the CPU/s when needed, and 
> allowing use of C2 and C3 power states, which work reliably on these.
> 
> In /boot/loader.conf:
> 
> acpi_ibm_load="YES"
> hint.p4tcc.0.disabled=1
> hint.acpi_throttle.0.disabled=1
> 
> This allows EST to run the CPUs at 800, 1600, 2400 & '2401' (turbo) MHz, 
> where CPU power consumption is fairly proportional to frequency.  Using 
> p4tcc or acpi_throttle provides many more rates down to 100MHz, but they 
> don't reduce power consumption, make powerd work slower and harder while 
> shuffling frequency, and are removed as defaults from -CURRENT we hear.
> 
> In /etc/rc.conf:
> 
> performance_cx_lowest=C3	# you can use "Cmax" here, same on X200
> economy_cx_lowest=C3
> powerd_enable="YES"
> powerd_flags="-a adp -b adp -i 70 -r 90"
> 
> Those powerd settings are you might say 'non-aggressive', only boosting 
> speed on fairly high demand.  Lots of fun tuning these to your workload.
> 
>  > > After a problem that affected many/most modern T and X series
>  > > Lenovos regarding losing external USB ports on resume was resolved
>  > > last year, suspend and resume work flawlesly; they're really nice
>  > > little machines.
>  > 
>  > Good to hear. Would that be suspend-to-RAM?
> 
> Yes, FreeBSD doesn't do suspend to disk (ACPI state S4) unless BIOS 
> supports it and none do these days, to my knowledge.  I haven't done any 
> real tests, but suspect the X200 would run for a week in S3 suspend (if 
> you don't charge your mobile from its USB ports while suspended :)
> 
>  > > Arnab may not wish to buy anything as old as an X200 (C.2008),
>  > 
>  > Oh, I remembered later somebody was running FreeBSD 11 on Macbook
>  > Pro 2011 ...
>  > 
>  >   http://blog.foxkit.us/2015/01/freebsd-on-apple-macbook-pro-82-now.html?spref=tw
> 
> That and its previous episode are really good posts for Mac people 
> considering FreeBSD.  If my daughter would only let me play with hers :)
>  
> These also needed an ACPI fix mostly affecting HP laptops that's just 
> been committed to 9 & 10 regarding reporting of AC/battery states etc.
> 
>  > > but could likely pick up an X210/220/230, or the larger
>  > > T410/420/430 models at a good price.
>  > 
>  > Sure. (I am also looking for another one, this time much lighter
>  > than X200. Is Thinkpad X1 Carbon II any lighter, I wonder.)
> 
> I expect so.  And I expect they may work with 9.x and 10.x by now, 
> there's been some good ACPI and video stuff MFC'd lately I gather.
>  
>   https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/Thinkpad_X1_Carbon
> 
> Also - though out of date re Lenovo problems having dead USB on resume:
> 
>   https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume
>  
>  > > Very latest models may still have some issues with video?
>  > 
>  > Well, somebody had reported success|progress with Intel i915 on
>  > 11-CURRENT (and somebody else had working suspend-resume with
>  > "recent HEAD" on X230) ...
>  > 
>  >   https://twitter.com/etnapierala/status/561500382850215936
> 
> I can't keep track of it at all nowadays .. but I don't think you need 
> to run -CURRENT except perhaps newest laptops with latest chipsets, and 
> except perhaps for the latest wireless work, lacking helpers to MFC it.
> 
> cheers, Ian
> 
> Oh yes, scripts; I use this one often:
> % cat /root/bin/x200stat
> #!/bin/sh
> t="	"
> echo -n "`date` "
> sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq
> echo "`sysctl -n dev.cpu.0.cx_usage` $t `sysctl -n vm.loadavg`"
> echo "`sysctl -n dev.cpu.1.cx_usage` $t { `sysctl -n kern.eventtimer.timer` }"
> sysctl dev.acpi_ibm | egrep 'fan_|thermal'
> sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature
> sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature
> acpiconf -i0 | egrep 'State|Remain|Present|Volt'
> 
> And also added to /etc/devd.conf
> 
> notify 10 {
>         match "system"          "ACPI";
>         match "subsystem"       "CMBAT";
>         action                  "/root/bin/acpi_cmbat $notify";
> };
> 
> % cat /root/bin/acpi_cmbat
> #!/bin/sh
> #% acpi_cmbat 27/6/14 for CMBAT notifies.  from /etc/rc.d/power_profile
> LOGGER="logger -t acpi_cmbat -p daemon.notice"
> notify=$1
> ${LOGGER} "CMBAT notify = $1"
> #% 27/10/14 logs at 3%, 20%, 80% and discharging, high & charging states
> /root/bin/x200stat >> /root/acpi_cmbat_events.log
> echo "CMBAT status: notify = $1" >> /root/acpi_cmbat_events.log
> exit 0
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:47:38 -0500
> From: R0B_ROD <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected], [email protected]
> Subject: Introduction
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> 
> Hello!
> I am merging from Arch Linux, which seems that
> they copied BSD a lot. :P
> I am excited to be here. I have never been on a mailing list.
> My goal is to be a developer of any kind some day.
> I am always on my laptop since life has dealt me a bad hand.
> Maybe I haven't been very responsible. Who knows?
> Trying to do better each day. Looking to make life-long friends.
> My spirit is still in the 70's although I am only 30 y/o.
> I do feel like I was living in the time and still carry the
> 'loving-curious-rebel' attitude. Thanks for reading my ramble.
> 
> r0b-r0d@rama-hkr:~ % uname -a
> FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401
> Tue Nov 11 21:0249 UTC 2014
> [email protected]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
> HP 2B19WM : 4GB RAM : AMD64 E-300 1.4GHz : ATI Radeon 6310HD
> 
> -Roberto Rodriguez Jr.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:09:09 -0800
> From: Kevin Oberman <[email protected]>
> To: Joseph Mingrone <[email protected]>
> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Buying a laptop
> Message-ID:
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> 
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Joseph Mingrone <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I also have had mostly positive experience with many Thinkpads.  Note I
>> said Thinkpads and not Lenovos.
>>
>> Erich Dollansky <[email protected]> writes:
>>> I use an Lenovo X220 with 10.1 since nearly three years.
>>
>> I also have an X220, running a recent 10-STABLE.  Pretty much everything
>> works including wireless with the Intel Centrino Advanced-N
>> 6205 and suspend and resume.  I haven't figured out how to control the
>> brightness and there is an annoying BIOS (bug/feature).  You can't
>> legacy boot from a GPT-partitioned disk without UEFI.
>>
>> Joseph
> 
> 
> Head was recently fixed so that brightness now works fine. The patch
> applies cleanly to 10-stable (and 10.1) if you want to try it. My T520 has
> had working brightness since. Yes, it works with the Fn+HOME and Fn+END
> keys that are marked as brightness up and down on the keyboard. The patch
> is to the ACPI code in dev/drm2/i915.intel_opregion.c, though small changes
> were made to a couple of other files to enable access to the new code,
> 
> It's in head as r270516 and Adrian has thus far not MFCed to 10-STABLE. If
> it works for you, you might let him know that you would like to see it done.
> --
> Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired
> E-mail: [email protected]
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:35:37 -0800
> From: Adrian Chadd <[email protected]>
> To: Kevin Oberman <[email protected]>
> Cc: Joseph Mingrone <[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
> 	<[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Buying a laptop
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Someone else needs to MFC it, sorry :(
> 
> -a
> 
> 
> On 2 February 2015 at 10:09, Kevin Oberman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Joseph Mingrone <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I also have had mostly positive experience with many Thinkpads.  Note I
>>> said Thinkpads and not Lenovos.
>>>
>>> Erich Dollansky <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> I use an Lenovo X220 with 10.1 since nearly three years.
>>>
>>> I also have an X220, running a recent 10-STABLE.  Pretty much everything
>>> works including wireless with the Intel Centrino Advanced-N
>>> 6205 and suspend and resume.  I haven't figured out how to control the
>>> brightness and there is an annoying BIOS (bug/feature).  You can't
>>> legacy boot from a GPT-partitioned disk without UEFI.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> Head was recently fixed so that brightness now works fine. The patch
>> applies cleanly to 10-stable (and 10.1) if you want to try it. My T520 has
>> had working brightness since. Yes, it works with the Fn+HOME and Fn+END
>> keys that are marked as brightness up and down on the keyboard. The patch
>> is to the ACPI code in dev/drm2/i915.intel_opregion.c, though small changes
>> were made to a couple of other files to enable access to the new code,
>>
>> It's in head as r270516 and Adrian has thus far not MFCed to 10-STABLE. If
>> it works for you, you might let him know that you would like to see it done.
>> --
>> Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired
>> E-mail: [email protected]
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:38:49 -0400
> From: Joseph Mingrone <[email protected]>
> To: Adrian Chadd <[email protected]>
> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Buying a laptop
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Adrian Chadd <[email protected]> writes:
>> Someone else needs to MFC it, sorry :(
> 
> Who should I pester?
> 
> P.S. Thanks for fixing this and thanks for pointing out the PR Kevin.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:39:55 -0500
> From: R0B_ROD <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected], [email protected],
> 	[email protected], [email protected]
> Subject: HP 2B19WM PCI-E SD Reader
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Thank you for the time you took to help.
> 
> According to:
>    http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ \
>    \ freebsd-current/2013-July/042788.html
>    \ freebsd-questions/2014-August/259843.html
> 
> % uname -a
>    FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401:
>    Tue Nov 11 21:02:49 UTC 2014
>    [email protected]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>    amd64
> 
> Is the Realtek RTS5229 PCI-E SD Card Reader
> supported yet???
> 
> I have these kernel drivers compiled & loaded
>    mmc
>    mmcsd
>    sdhci
> 
> As previous posters have said,
> NO dmesg output from inserting SD card;
> NO boot output while SD card inserted.
> 
> 8 Hrs of work to get here; now I'm burned out.
> 
> PS: Not very talented at solving problems because
> I don't define them properly at the step 1.
> 

-- 
Michael L. Wilson
International Project Coordinator
PeerCorps Trust Fund - Tanzania


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