Re: Wayland on FreeBSD

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:50:07PM +0200, Jan Beich wrote:
> Tomasz CEDRO <[email protected]> writes:
> 
> > Hello world :-)
> > Time to move from X11 to Wayland :-)
> > Anyone using Wayland with success already?
> 
> Many, bsdstats.org should have some numbers from those who opted in.
> wlroots-based compositors have very good support and can be tested
> without leaving the comfort zone of xorg-server:
> 
> - x11-wm/cage: kiosk, good for nesting
> - x11-wm/hikari: stacking with some tiling, developed on FreeBSD
> - x11-wm/sway: manual tiling, often first to adopt new wlroots features
> - x11-wm/wayfire: stacking with some tiling, many plugins
> 
> ... I'm using Sway myself primarily with X11 applications. For example,
> "vblank_mode=0 glxgears" shows 3x more FPS than on real Xorg server. ;)

  I did some testing a while back and was generally happy.  I had some issues
with crashing and weird-console-mode (and Jan may have been the one that
pointed me at proposed patches that helped, at least with console mode), but
I was pretty happy with the results, not that I kept up with it because of the
crashing.  This was months and months, even before the virus before-time.

  The crashing was all about how many windows you had open, which I could
easily hit with web browsing (somewhere north of 28).  It crashed wayland
back to text console, so that was sorta hard on work productivity which is
why I backed off.  That could be fixed by now.

  At home where i have fast computers and non-work hours, I tend to have nVidia
which initially seemed to be an issue (nvidia-driver).  It didn't occur to me
to try a different nvidia driver that might have worked.

  I started out with sway (pre-hikari) because of the early work done there.
I'm still rocking 1980s retro-style X11 (including ctwn) because I want a
light-weight, minimalistic (small attack surface area), although in the past
I've used Gnome and Xfce (via Fedora).  It's a LOT of extra pieces, but I
really started to draw the line when they were going for "social" integration.
I don't want a vast chunk of my graphics stack connected to outside input, so
back to the 80s I went, trying to add some eye candy to keep me happy.  In
short, I'm looking for something that doesn't have a ton of baggage (at least
if it's the baggage I don't want).  (:  Minimal attack surface area.

  To me, wayland is a good thing because it tries to cut out some serious
ancient X11 dead-wood, but still seems to let all the regular X11 apps run
(IE, backward compatibility).  I think X is trying to do this too, but very
very slowly because they have a LOT of compatibility to maintain.  If they
pulled a X12 break-fix, then they have years of fun.  But they know it:

	https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/

  Right now, it feels like the equivalent of the entire Xserver is built into
the window manager.  I suppose that is Ok, if I was really into that specific
window manager.  I'm not sure if that will cause an explosion of window
managers (not that x11-wm doesn't contain a ton, but it's had decades).  As
as user of something that is inspired by twm, I shouldn't throw stones there.
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