Re: BSD Administrator LFW

Just a thought -

As a user of computers, I try to gain as much knowledge as possible of all
aspects of computing.
For some time now I have been studying the FreeBSD operating system and
using it as much as possible, technically I find it to be a good system.

I have experimented with various versions of Windows / Mac OS and Linux/Unix
amongst others over the years on several hardware platforms. After several
years of `playing` with FreeBSD, I have made an observation about FreeBSD
admin's or users or developers or whatever else you may want to call
yourselves, and that is this (Firstly, I realise this is a generalisation.
Secondly, yes I am generalising but that is what I must do to describe a
community easily. Thirdly, there are always exceptions to every rule of
course) -

Out of all the virtual community's I have interacted with over the years,
FreeBSD admin's are the worst - You are unhelpful, Pedantic, Obsessive and
Obstructive, generally reminding me of a bunch of bitching secondary school
girls who believe they are the `in-group`. Whatever happened to helping each
other and community spirit. You all seem so obsessed with FreeBSD and your
self prowess of such that if someone is unwilling to follow `your` standards
or ideals then you push them aside. Now I have read a lot of articles saying
the Mac community has the worst Zealots, but I would suggest that its
actually FreeBSD. What are you guys so scared off, cant we have open
cooperative development without all this touchy feel-i-ness (unless its
constructive of course). (Please don't reply to tell me FreeBSD is an Open
project and cooperatively developed - I am aware of this), to what I refer
is all the politics and snide doings that are also in place. An Example - I
have been kicked out of a FreeBSD chat room strangely named #freebsdhelp
which one would imagine you would visit for help - although I required help
and asked sensible questions (I am not new to this!), I was kicked out for
using short hand. I never realised Internet Chat was so formal and I would
cite this as an example of small mindedness among FreeBSD admin's.

This is not meant as a bitch at a community of what are very technically apt
individuals, more a call to awareness.
Has anyone else noticed this? Hope I haven't dropped a bomb!

Cheers Adam Retter.

(If there are spelling and grammar mistakes I apologise, but I do not
consider this a formal address)




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Richards" <[email protected]>
To: "gwen" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Diane Bruce" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: BSD Administrator LFW


> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 20:30, gwen wrote:
> > * richard childers / kg6hac ([email protected]) [040803 15:04]:
> > > I think the question is whether two years of professional work is
> > > sufficient to qualify as 'senior'.
> > >
> > > I would not hire someone who misrepresented themselves; and seniority,
> > > while relative, is not something that one accrues in less time than it
> > > takes to get an AA.
> > >
> > > If I include all the time I spent working with computers before I got
my
> > > first job, why, I'd have -thirty- years of experience ... not twenty.
>
> Replying to this is probably a really stupid thing to do...
>
> However, I'll say one thing, your CV should show your job decription as
> it was stated in your job contract i.e. what your employer hired you to
> be. If your employer hired you as "senior sysadmin" then that's what you
> can put in your CV. if you put anything other than that then you're
> likely to be found out at a later stage in proceedings, what you
> actually did in a practical sense is an entirely different matter and
> something a prospective employer should have enough sense to determine
> through other means.
>
> Paul.
>
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