Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound

> This is a gradual work so it cannot be
> all committed in a massive commit.

So keep it in CURRENT when it belongs ... why this half way done shit was spread into STABLE tree?



> A quick look at mixer(8)'s man page would
> suggest otherwise... The rewrite was
> introduced in 14.0, and was never MFC'd to 13.*.

As I said earlier - I do not remember exactly when the fuckup happened - I would gladly still use 13.x line ... but its EoL unfortunately ... the 14.x is my only choice now ... and its already broken as fuck.



> This is wrong in all aspects. The
> tool does introduce something new:
> muting and unmuting.

What is the difference between volume=0 and muting? ZERO. Do not find the counter arguments where they are not. Current audio/sound subsystem on FreeBSD is fucked up beautifully - more people then me confirmed that.



> And you could not do the same with the old syntax (...)

Great ... make ONE SMALL ADDITIONAL syntax for mute/unmute - but does not fuck up entire audio/sound stack on FreeBSD because of it.



> I do not understand the obsession with POLA sometimes.

Probably because FreeBSD is not your daily driver ...



> At the moment I am the only consistent
> sound developer on FreeBSD, and there
> are a few more people who occasionally
> contribute code, so resources are
> naturally scarce. Instead of ranting
> on MLs about how "tragic" sound is,
> you could spend that time to file a
> bug report so that we can try to
> address your issues.

Great, so you messed up EVERYTHING in FreeBSD audio/sound department hoping no one would notice? Why all these commits landed in STABLE in the first place?

Build and modernize whatever the fuck You want in CURRENT tree - but stay away from STABLE where people expect things to actually work.

I do not know what 'FreeBSD Foundation' told You when they started to fund Your work - which is more then OK for me - just keep it all in CURRENT before its complete.

Spreading commits to STABLE make EVERYONE life measurable with all these unfinished and broken things. 



> This whole thread is entirely pointless

Great ... so please tell me why entire audio/sound stack on FreeBSD that used to work flawlessly over DECADES is broken as fuck because of You?

Looking at your ignorance level the only thing I want to tell You is the same thing that I can tell to 'Lennart Poettering' - which is 'get the fuck off my lawn!' - but I will not do that hoping that You may actually try to improve FreeBSD - just keep it in CURRENT before its ready and it does not break all the FreeBSD desktop/laptop users we have up there.



Regards,
vermaden