Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound

Hi,

Top posting: please knock off the abuse.  That is not welcome in this community.  If you have
technical complaints, great, but you're crossing multiple lines here.

Thanks,

Kyle Evans (with no particular hat)

On 7/21/26 18:23, vermaden wrote:
>> This is a gradual work so it cannot be
>> all committed in a massive commit.
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> So keep it in CURRENT when it belongs ... why this half way done shit was spread into STABLE tree?
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>> A quick look at mixer(8)'s man page would
>> suggest otherwise... The rewrite was
>> introduced in 14.0, and was never MFC'd to 13.*.
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> As I said earlier - I do not remember exactly when the fuckup happened - I would gladly still use 13.x line ... but its EoL unfortunately ... the 14.x is my only choice now ... and its already broken as fuck.
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>> This is wrong in all aspects. The
>> tool does introduce something new:
>> muting and unmuting.
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> What is the difference between volume=0 and muting? ZERO. Do not find the counter arguments where they are not. Current audio/sound subsystem on FreeBSD is fucked up beautifully - more people then me confirmed that.
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>> And you could not do the same with the old syntax (...)
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> Great ... make ONE SMALL ADDITIONAL syntax for mute/unmute - but does not fuck up entire audio/sound stack on FreeBSD because of it.
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>> I do not understand the obsession with POLA sometimes.
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> Probably because FreeBSD is not your daily driver ...
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>> At the moment I am the only consistent
>> sound developer on FreeBSD, and there
>> are a few more people who occasionally
>> contribute code, so resources are
>> naturally scarce. Instead of ranting
>> on MLs about how "tragic" sound is,
>> you could spend that time to file a
>> bug report so that we can try to
>> address your issues.
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> Great, so you messed up EVERYTHING in FreeBSD audio/sound department hoping no one would notice? Why all these commits landed in STABLE in the first place?
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> Build and modernize whatever the fuck You want in CURRENT tree - but stay away from STABLE where people expect things to actually work.
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> I do not know what 'FreeBSD Foundation' told You when they started to fund Your work - which is more then OK for me - just keep it all in CURRENT before its complete.
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> Spreading commits to STABLE make EVERYONE life measurable with all these unfinished and broken things.
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>> This whole thread is entirely pointless
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> Great ... so please tell me why entire audio/sound stack on FreeBSD that used to work flawlessly over DECADES is broken as fuck because of You?
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> Looking at your ignorance level the only thing I want to tell You is the same thing that I can tell to 'Lennart Poettering' - which is 'get the fuck off my lawn!' - but I will not do that hoping that You may actually try to improve FreeBSD - just keep it in CURRENT before its ready and it does not break all the FreeBSD desktop/laptop users we have up there.
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> Regards,
> vermaden
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