Re: New project

Em dom, 2022-07-24 às 21:34 +0800, Mike Yang escreveu:
> On 7/24/22 07:08, nervoso wrote:
> > Hello
> > A group here in Brazil is starting a new project, the idea is
> > to build a small computer that looks like a notebook as Pine64 notebook
> > https://s2.glbimg.com/NR0vR3P0x5ZasZ3BjXcIhXn3X0Q=/0x0:1006x616/984x0/smart/filters:strip_icc()/i.s3.glbimg.com/v1/AUTH_08fbf48bc0524877943fe86e43087e7a/internal_photos/bs/2020/K/h/zi2gU3TgWFS91YR4KaIQ/slide-pinebook-14inch.jpg
> > 
> > The idea is to give to 2nd grades students a platform that is cheap
> > powerfull and not tied to anything big techs have, so 
> > NO google, NO microsoft, No apple... No high speed internet 
> > Linux is out too because of copyright code... 
> 
> What's wrong with Linux from the perspective of school and/or the students?
> The students may feel frustrated when they're submitting patches to Linux, but that doesn't involve copyright stuff.
all linux port are from known distribution => Debian, mostly, and as it
is a Govern project
and will eventually go against some "interests"... Remember that China
was blocked from using
the ARM ships and Android... Imagine that after you build 10,000,000
kits,  USA blocks Brasil from using
the EULA...  so even Linux is not an option... the Only options
available are those that use BSD licence.
FreeBSD, NetBSD... being NetBSD the lightest of all...  the Raspberry
PI is ARM based...  we are thinking
inclusive to put a price tag to some computer project companies to
project  a MIPS compatible chip... (remember Loongoon??)  4gb of
memory,  with some usb/wifi + small GPU and a that understand OPENGL
 if one intend to build
lets say: 10.000 chips...probably is not feaseable but we are talking
about 1-2 million computers/year... if the the
project costs 1,000,000 dollars,  and takes one year... that is
fine...as even China can product 1,000,000/year SOC
It would take at least 4 years to supply 10% of the need... for you to
have an ideia if only 0.01% of the money allocated 
to education in Brasil (32 billions dollar/year) is spend in this
project ... make the math building such a computer (that is for
educational only, so cannot be sold, nor will run any "commercial"
software...so it is useless to be stolen). and it is given for free
to 2nd grade students... this is the only way to rescue students from
marxism indrocrination, besides it costs less than normal
set of books... that contains gender ideology, indocrination.... we
need to save the 10+ yo children because those 19+yo are doomed..

> And what's wrong with high speed internet? 
There are NO high speed internet available to  students in 80% of
Brasil... if you count on big cities like Sao Paulo, a poor family
that send the children to school, they either EAT of use internet...
 95% of the population uses public schools,  and from them, less than
10% 
have full internet access... with a MEDIUM salary of just 340
dollars/month...how do you expect to give a decent computer access  for
2 children???
a basic desktop computer costs no less than 800 dollars (that is 2X+
the mean salary)  the basic saralry of a FAMILY in Sao Paulo, is about
600 dollars/month rent, transport, is expensive, so food too...  and
with internet access costing 20 dollars/month??? The schools have about
1000+ students, and less than 10 computers available...
Only in the Amazon part of Brasil, there are 39,000 schools less than
1000 have SOME internet access...  there are 25,000,000 students... the
situation is catastrophic... The ony way out is  technology  that can
make knowledge to the children... if we succeed in give technology to
only 10% of them we can make things change in 10 years...
> 
> > We are looking something like the
> > Ci20 https://www.mips.com/platform/mips-creator-ci20
> 
> The JZ4780 used in the CI20 is already EOL and no longer produced. 
may be they can sell the the "blue prints??" 
> 
> If you're still interested in using Ingenic SoCs, the JZ4775 is still producing, however it's single core.
> The alternative would be the X2000. It has 28nm process and newer MIPS32r5 cores. But the DRAM is built-in, and the biggest model has 512MiB.
> 
> > of course we will need to hire NetBSD porters to and buy some chips to
> > make it 
> > happen...   We are thinking in RiscV too but a real computer with riscV
> > is too far away, ARM is not
> > an option too because of copyright... and licences
> > the project is expect to produce about 1mln (1,000,000) computers/year
> 
> What's the exact meaning of the word "copyright" here?
means that if the sofware of chip used have some kind of user licence,
that licence can be voided
that happen with China in during the Trump govern... the licence to
china producce smartphones using
ARM and Android was removed by USA, forcing China to its knees.. it is
all business and money....  Raspberry py
started its production with only 20,000 dollars... now they have some
millions of RPI but it became too expensive
besides, there is Rockchip too... but I do not know how it is licenced
from ARM too...   I bought some rockcchip but
but is is buggy...  perhaps the one used in Pinebook 64 pro works.... I
have not tested yet...

Regards,
Sergio

> 
> >  
> > We are in the initial phase of the project, so we need some support on
> > how to make it happen
> > we accept ANY suggestions
> > 
> > Sergio  
> > 
> 
> Regards,
> Mike Yang