Re: Improvements and thoughts on small projects for advocacy

Hi,

This means do things and make advocacy I'd guess,
to be honest BSD's about 0,1% usage though a real
backbone at some critical points of the network, this
means there's really no one do to the job, it's used
and programmed at the same time, for real usage.

So far as example it's the nat rooter in virtual
environment for some people, their local rooter,
server, firewall, so almost anything we can do is
work out solution and share with others.


Regards


Jean-François


Le 15/05/2020 à 03:06, Theo de Raadt a écrit :
> You've done nothing except believe that words are action.
>
> Aisha Tammy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/20 8:52 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>>> Aisha Tammy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/14/20 7:24 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>>>>> Kyle Willett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too.  I read on an open source
>>>>>> news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux option
>>>>>> on their Thinkpad lineup and already certifies some for Red Hat
>>>>>> Enterprise Linux.  I think it would be great if we could get some
>>>>> Who is "we"?
>>>>>                             
>>>>>> hardware manufacturer to certify OpenBSD on a device and offer it
>>>>>> pre-installed as an OS choice.  I think that would be a good thing for
>>>>>> the project.  Maybe an AMD64 x86_64 laptop is too much at first and
>>>>>> maybe we should start with one of the arm or mips laptops supported
>>>>> Who is "we"?
>>>>>
>>>>>> well by OpenBSD.  I don't know just a dream I have.
>>>>> Why go around telling people your dreams?  Why not do all this yourself?
>>>>> You don't need a mailing list for it.  Is it your dream that others in the
>>>>> group "we" will do what you dream?
>>>>>
>>>>> What you are doing here is advocating that other people do that which
>>>>> you don't and won't do yourself.  To be honest, it comes off small minded.
>>>>>
>>>> There are many possible assumptions of what they could have meant, I don't
>>>> think there is a need to be overly harsh to their attitude. For all I know
>>>> they might be an enthusiastic college student who wants to help.
>>> I suspect you are an enthusiastic person who wants to send a mail to us,
>>> telling us what to do.
>>>
>> Sorry if it seemed like that.
>> I am not telling anyone what to do. I am asking for suggestions on what I could
>> do more.
>>
>>> But that which you dream of?  You won't left a leg to do any of it.
>>>
>>>> Voicing your ideas and finding like minded people is a good motivator for
>>>> doing a project.
>>> No, doing work is what makes projects.
>>>
>>> You are just typing words
>>>   
>>>> @Kyle, I do appreciate your enthusiasm.
>>>> That said, I do agree that going straight to hardware is far from what is
>>>> possible as a short term goal.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is better by starting to do small things,
>>> I agree it is better to DO THINGS.
>>>
>>> But you are writing words.
>> I do try to help in any small way that I can in ports@, though
>> I am not too good at it yet.
>>
>>>> I've already asked the newsletters to hopefully include the recent news about
>>>> wireguard patches (even though it is not confirmed to be included yet, please
>>>> don't kill me over this) and hopefully I get a positive response :) .
>>> The world is so full of writing about writing about doing stuff, but
>>> short of people who actually do stuff.
>>>
>>> You are one of those writers, it appears...
>>>
>>>> I know this is not a lot but I am hoping slowly things can turn
>>>> up for the better.
>>>>
>>>> As always, am open any other ideas you might have.
>>>>
>>>> (I tried to be terse, I think I failed)
>>> What a waste of time.
>>>
>> In that case, could you tell what was the idea behind creating an
>> advocacy list, which on the site says: for promoting the use of OpenBSD ?
>>
>> Is this not what it is?
>>
>> I am also confused why so furious at me? I don't think I've done
>> anything horrible?