Re: you guys' work promotes my mental health
justina colmena ~biz <[email protected]> Fri, 28 Mar 2025 22:20:36 -0700
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Drug-dealing never-Trumper gun-grabbing RINO politician with a misspelled d=
omain name=2E And not even a most basic security check on the mailing list=
=2E SPF, DKIM, DMARC? Or are we hitting spamhausen lists with ham emails ag=
ain? And what's this lawmaker's concern about OpenBSD pro or con? It isn't =
really relevant to any laws he wants to pass to fine us or imprison us not =
more that ten years whoever/he done the crime whatever the crime is defined=
to be that it isn't already in court=2E
On March 28, 2025 5:31:43 PM PDT, Dan Sullivan <dan@dnsullivan=2Ecom> wrot=
e:
>American here with a tip for non-Americans: any time you see one of us st=
art complaining about "woke" anything, feel free to ignore anything else th=
ey have to say=2E
>
>On Fri, Mar 28, 2025 at 18:10, justina colmena ~biz <[justina@colmena=2Eb=
iz](mailto:On Fri, Mar 28, 2025 at 18:10, justina colmena ~biz <<a href=3D)=
> wrote:
>
>> Well, to be honest, we don't have the vanity license plates or a team o=
f mounties standing guard in front of our houses while we program on OpenBS=
D drug-dealing software in the U=2ES=2E, and U=2ES=2E contributions are gen=
erally unwelcome to the OpenBSD project anyways=2E
>>
>> What would J=2ED=2E Vance say? I do believe it's about time for America=
ns to get off the property of woke socialists and communists who are collud=
ing and imposing other secret and hidden sanctions and refusing to let us u=
se *their* software anyways=2E Berkeley, CA is part of the USA after all=2E=
I do think we need to re-conquer the BSD's from the Canadians and their co=
p-calling Karens=2E
>>
>> It's essentially Canada/EU-only nation-state-level intellectual propert=
y, and German hackers keep having us SWATTED by our own politically partisa=
n local unionized beat cops on false reports from compromised police statio=
ns with fake and forged charging documents in court if we do any such progr=
amming work on any such software on our own property=2E
>>
>> On March 28, 2025 2:49:57 PM PDT, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower=2Ecom> wr=
ote:
>>
>>> Um =E2=80=A6 might I suggest?
>>>
>>> This discussion has wandered quite far from anything related to OpenBS=
D=2E While I=E2=80=99m sure there are many here sympathetic to your comment=
s, this really isn=E2=80=99t the appropriate venue for them=2E
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> b&
>>>
>>>> On Mar 28, 2025, at 1:54=E2=80=AFPM, justina colmena ~biz <justina@co=
lmena=2Ebiz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Freemen on the land also advocate schemes to avoid taxes"
>>>>
>>>> Such as voting down the said taxes=2E Unless there is some other sche=
me in place to tax people against their collective will=2E
>>>>
>>>> "Je ne contracte pas" =E2=80=94 so whatever it was I didn't agree to =
it=2E Somebody else's agreement=2E What about all those shrink wrap license=
agreements on commercial software offerings? After you've paid for them an=
d can no longer get your money back by returning the item you paid for=2E
>>>>
>>>> =E2=80=9CI stopped nurturing any interest in Ancap/Libertarianism whe=
n I realized it is but yet another neuroatypy=2E=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 There's=
got to be a good reason for enacting and enforcing some kind of "law" othe=
r than just a bunch of petty rules to punish people just for the sake of pu=
nishing them=2E
>>>>
>>>> For example, a lot of people are too lazy to mow their own lawns, but=
then they go to court with service of process and summons to appear to for=
ce their neighbors to mow their lawns to their expectations=2E In which cas=
e I suppose a blade of grass a fraction of an inch too long that tickles yo=
ur bare foot is a prime example of "neuroatypy" unless it's actually agains=
t the law to go barefoot on your own lawn in neighborhoods like that=2E
>>>>
>>>> On March 28, 2025 9:59:34 AM PDT, Sylvain Saboua <sylvain@saboua=2Eme=
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I see ! You're from the =E2=80=9CCommon Law v Maritime Law,=E2=
=80=9D =E2=80=9CFree Man on the Land=E2=80=9D [1] bunch=2E I've enjoyed thi=
s conspiracy theory a lot, in France we had the =E2=80=9Cje ne contracte pa=
s=E2=80=9D [2] stemming from it just last year=2E But French law stems from=
Napoleonic Civil Code, i=2Ee=2E continental law, which is ; little to do w=
ith Common Law=2E=2E=2E Anyways=2E
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land_movement
>>>>>
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> https://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/clip/UgkxWnBY9qjby4Uw71PwEZ3EvFhlKiWRqkB=
9
>>>>>
>>>>> In the end, I believe this all stems from the misplaced free associa=
tion thought (or misplaced =E2=80=9Cright brain=E2=80=9D more or less)=2E A=
s somebody else says, =E2=80=9CI stopped nurturing any interest in Ancap/Li=
bertarianism when I realized it is but yet another neuroatypy=2E=E2=80=9D
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-03-28 14:58, justina colmena ~biz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The shrinks got too litigious, and "mental health" is practiced as =
a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> branch of "law" alongside "intellectual property" and other matters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that are either "imaginary" or "all in your head" =2E=2E=2E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are laws against "simulating legal process" over such imagina=
ry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> matters etc=2E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> https://law=2Ejustia=2Ecom/codes/alaska/title-11/chapter-56/article=
-4/section-11-56-620/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but such laws are never enforced, because even without a Constituti=
on
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the law itself can't be illegal in a court of law, and even if it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> were, the attorneys can't prosecute themselves or else they'd put
>>>>>>
>>>>>> themselves out of business for their own practices=2E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "law" itself by definition being whatever "lawyers" keep
>>>>>>
>>>>>> themselves in business practicing and billing for=2E Unless you thi=
nk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can be successful in court as yet another crackpot mentally ill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "pro se" petitioner with a flat tire or another speeding ticket or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> traffic violation on the way to court you must answer, with paying =
off
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all your parking tickets and getting your vehicle released from cit=
y
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hall impound after court, but your own petitions are just going to =
be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> professionally dismissed for failure to appear at any one of those
>>>>>>
>>>>>> numerous perfunctory court hearings for filing a suit=2E Cops have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> grappling hooks and shoot-out axle nets to physically disable and s=
top
>>>>>>
>>>>>> your vehicle on the road now=2E That's why the real pro lawyers alw=
ays
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hail a cab or take Uber or Lyft to court because you can't even
>>>>>>
>>>>>> consider driving or parking your own vehicle in a hostile red-light
>>>>>>
>>>>>> district=2E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On March 28, 2025 2:48:29 AM PDT, sylvain@saboua=2Eme wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-28 07:01, justina colmena ~biz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 27, 2025 8:51:35=E2=80=AFAM Pacific Daylight Ti=
me izzy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Curious why you chose to invalidate this person's experience that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> made themselves vulnerable about=2E Sure- you have your views on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> things,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and that's totally cool=2E But maybe try being a bit more forgivin=
g of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> someone who, again, made themselves vulnerable next time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People serve process with mental health allegations that sticks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> worse than a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> felony record in court for the rest of a person's life, and they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> want others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to be forgiving of them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh ! I think I get you=2E I had the impression that you were sympat=
hetic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> antipsychiatry, especially given the related posts on your blog=2E =
I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> still
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not very sure but =2E=2E=2E I've never been charged for anything cr=
iminal or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> against
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the law, you're making quite a broad generalization here=2E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When talking about mental illness and the aforementioned soothing I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> get from
>>>>>>
>>>>>> obsd and suckless, I was alluding to the relative cognitive overloa=
d
>>>>>>
>>>>>> undeliberately enforced by other projects which seems mostly absent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from these
>>>>>>
>>>>>> two =E2=80=93 as hinted at in the title of my page UNIX=2Ehtml @sab=
oua=2Exyz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mental health services, like those of astrologers or magicians,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> psychics,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tarot card readers, palmists, have gained far too much of a sheen =
of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> legitimacy (or color of law, as it were) in court for service of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> process and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> summons to appear -- Say does a person really have an organic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "mental illness"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of known etiology? Or is it simply a case of simulated legal proce=
ss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> catch-all diagnosis to make a person appear "formally mad" in a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> court of law
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for some other legal summons?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's right=2E A lot of diagnoses are abusive, esp=2E when conside=
ring
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the prevalent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> traumatic liminal state that pervades among our relatives within
>>>>>>
>>>>>> society=2E But as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for me I attribute this to Big Pharma's lucrative motive, not legal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> summons which
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen cases of while at the ward=2E
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Absolutely no morality is inherent in the "law" just because it's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the law=2E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Precisely=2E Legal is not necessarily moral=2E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvain Saboua
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<html><head></head><body><div dir=3D"auto">Drug-dealing never-Trumper gun-g=
rabbing RINO politician with a misspelled domain name=2E And not even a mos=
t basic security check on the mailing list=2E SPF, DKIM, DMARC? Or are we h=
itting spamhausen lists with ham emails again? And what's this lawmaker's c=
oncern about OpenBSD pro or con? It isn't really relevant to any laws he wa=
nts to pass to fine us or imprison us not more that ten years whoever/he do=
ne the crime whatever the crime is defined to be that it isn't already in c=
ourt=2E</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto">On March =
28, 2025 5:31:43 PM PDT, Dan Sullivan <dan@dnsullivan=2Ecom> wrote:</=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"auto">American here with a tip for non-Americans: any time =
you see one of us start complaining about "woke" anything, feel free to ign=
ore anything else they have to say=2E</div><div><br></div>On Fri, Mar 28, 2=
025 at 18:10, justina colmena ~biz <<a class=3D"" href=3D"mailto:On Fri,=
Mar 28, 2025 at 18:10, justina colmena ~biz <<a href=3D">justina@colmena=
=2Ebiz</a>> wrote:<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"protonmail_quote"> =
<div dir=3D"auto">
Well, to be honest, we don't have the vanity license plates or a team of =
mounties standing guard in front of our houses while we program on OpenBSD =
drug-dealing software in the U=2ES=2E, and U=2ES=2E contributions are gener=
ally unwelcome to the OpenBSD project anyways=2E
<br>
<br>What would J=2ED=2E Vance say? I do believe it's about time for Ameri=
cans to get off the property of woke socialists and communists who are coll=
uding and imposing other secret and hidden sanctions and refusing to let us=
use *their* software anyways=2E Berkeley, CA is part of the USA after all=
=2E I do think we need to re-conquer the BSD's from the Canadians and their=
cop-calling Karens=2E
<br>
<br>It's essentially Canada/EU-only nation-state-level intellectual prope=
rty, and German hackers keep having us SWATTED by our own politically parti=
san local unionized beat cops on false reports from compromised police stat=
ions with fake and forged charging documents in court if we do any such pro=
gramming work on any such software on our own property=2E
<br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"auto">
On March 28, 2025 2:49:57 PM PDT, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower=2Ecom&g=
t; wrote:
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">
Um =E2=80=A6 might I suggest?
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>
This discussion has wandered quite far from anything related to OpenBSD=
=2E While I=E2=80=99m sure there are many here sympathetic to your comments=
, this really isn=E2=80=99t the appropriate venue for them=2E
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>
Cheers,
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>
b&
<br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
On Mar 28, 2025, at 1:54=E2=80=AFPM, justina colmena ~biz <justin=
a@colmena=2Ebiz> wrote:
</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">
"Freemen on the land also advocate schemes to avoid taxes"
<br>
<br>Such as voting down the said taxes=2E Unless there is some oth=
er scheme in place to tax people against their collective will=2E
<br>
<br>"Je ne contracte pas" =E2=80=94 so whatever it was I didn't ag=
ree to it=2E Somebody else's agreement=2E What about all those shrink wrap =
license agreements on commercial software offerings? After you've paid for =
them and can no longer get your money back by returning the item you paid f=
or=2E
<br>
<br>=E2=80=9CI stopped nurturing any interest in Ancap/Libertarian=
ism when I realized it is but yet another neuroatypy=2E=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 =
There's got to be a good reason for enacting and enforcing some kind of "la=
w" other than just a bunch of petty rules to punish people just for the sak=
e of punishing them=2E
<br>
<br>For example, a lot of people are too lazy to mow their own law=
ns, but then they go to court with service of process and summons to appear=
to force their neighbors to mow their lawns to their expectations=2E In wh=
ich case I suppose a blade of grass a fraction of an inch too long that tic=
kles your bare foot is a prime example of "neuroatypy" unless it's actually=
against the law to go barefoot on your own lawn in neighborhoods like that=
=2E
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"auto">
On March 28, 2025 9:59:34 AM PDT, Sylvain Saboua <sylvain@sabo=
ua=2Eme> wrote:
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px=
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">=20
<pre class=3D"k9mail"> <div dir=3D"auto">
Oh, I see ! You're from the =E2=80=9CCommon Law v Maritime Law,=
=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CFree Man on the Land=E2=80=9D [1] bunch=2E I've enjoyed =
this conspiracy theory a lot, in France we had the =E2=80=9Cje ne contracte=
pas=E2=80=9D [2] stemming from it just last year=2E But French law stems f=
rom Napoleonic Civil Code, i=2Ee=2E continental law, which is ; little to d=
o with Common Law=2E=2E=2E Anyways=2E
<br>
<br>[1]=20
<a href=3D"https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/Freeman_on_the_lan=
d_movement">https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land_movement<=
/a>
<br>[2]=20
<a href=3D"https://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/clip/UgkxWnBY9qjby4Uw71P=
wEZ3EvFhlKiWRqkB9">https://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/clip/UgkxWnBY9qjby4Uw71PwEZ3=
EvFhlKiWRqkB9</a>
<br>
<br>In the end, I believe this all stems from the misplaced fre=
e association thought (or misplaced =E2=80=9Cright brain=E2=80=9D more or l=
ess)=2E As somebody else says, =E2=80=9CI stopped nurturing any interest in=
Ancap/Libertarianism when I realized it is but yet another neuroatypy=2E=
=E2=80=9D
<br>
<br>Enjoy
<br>
<br>On 2025-03-28 14:58, justina colmena ~biz wrote:
<br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1=
px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"auto">
The shrinks got too litigious, and "mental health" is practice=
d as a
<br>branch of "law" alongside "intellectual property" and othe=
r matters
<br>that are either "imaginary" or "all in your head" =2E=2E=
=2E
<br>
<br>There are laws against "simulating legal process" over suc=
h imaginary
<br>matters etc=2E
<br><
<a href=3D"https://law=2Ejustia=2Ecom/codes/alaska/title-11/ch=
apter-56/article-4/section-11-56-620/">https://law=2Ejustia=2Ecom/codes/ala=
ska/title-11/chapter-56/article-4/section-11-56-620/</a>>
<br>but such laws are never enforced, because even without a C=
onstitution
<br>the law itself can't be illegal in a court of law, and eve=
n if it
<br>were, the attorneys can't prosecute themselves or else the=
y'd put
<br>themselves out of business for their own practices=2E
<br>
<br>The "law" itself by definition being whatever "lawyers" ke=
ep
<br>themselves in business practicing and billing for=2E Unles=
s you think
<br>you can be successful in court as yet another crackpot men=
tally ill
<br>"pro se" petitioner with a flat tire or another speeding t=
icket or
<br>traffic violation on the way to court you must answer, wit=
h paying off
<br>all your parking tickets and getting your vehicle released=
from city
<br>hall impound after court, but your own petitions are just =
going to be
<br>professionally dismissed for failure to appear at any one =
of those
<br>numerous perfunctory court hearings for filing a suit=2E C=
ops have
<br>grappling hooks and shoot-out axle nets to physically disa=
ble and stop
<br>your vehicle on the road now=2E That's why the real pro la=
wyers always
<br>hail a cab or take Uber or Lyft to court because you can't=
even
<br>consider driving or parking your own vehicle in a hostile =
red-light
<br>district=2E
<br>
<br>On March 28, 2025 2:48:29 AM PDT, sylvain@saboua=2Eme wrot=
e:
<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: =
1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"auto">
On 2025-03-28 07:01, justina colmena ~biz wrote:
<br>
<br>On Thursday, March 27, 2025 8:51:35=E2=80=AFAM Pacific Da=
ylight Time izzy
<br>Meyer wrote:
<br>
<br>Curious why you chose to invalidate this person's experie=
nce that
<br>they
<br>made themselves vulnerable about=2E Sure- you have your v=
iews on
<br>things,
<br>and that's totally cool=2E But maybe try being a bit more=
forgiving of
<br>someone who, again, made themselves vulnerable next time?
<br>
<br>People serve process with mental health allegations that =
sticks
<br>worse than a
<br>felony record in court for the rest of a person's life, a=
nd they
<br>want others
<br>to be forgiving of them?
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div dir=3D"auto">
<br>Oh ! I think I get you=2E I had the impression that you we=
re sympathetic
<br>to
<br>antipsychiatry, especially given the related posts on your=
blog=2E I'm
<br>still
<br>not very sure but =2E=2E=2E I've never been charged for an=
ything criminal or
<br>against
<br>the law, you're making quite a broad generalization here=
=2E
<br>When talking about mental illness and the aforementioned s=
oothing I
<br>get from
<br>obsd and suckless, I was alluding to the relative cognitiv=
e overload
<br>undeliberately enforced by other projects which seems most=
ly absent
<br>from these
<br>two =E2=80=93 as hinted at in the title of my page UNIX=2E=
html @saboua=2Exyz
<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: =
1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"auto">
Mental health services, like those of astrologers or magician=
s,
<br>psychics,
<br>tarot card readers, palmists, have gained far too much of=
a sheen of
<br>legitimacy (or color of law, as it were) in court for ser=
vice of
<br>process and
<br>summons to appear -- Say does a person really have an org=
anic
<br>"mental illness"
<br>of known etiology? Or is it simply a case of simulated le=
gal process
<br>with a
<br>catch-all diagnosis to make a person appear "formally mad=
" in a
<br>court of law
<br>for some other legal summons?
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div dir=3D"auto">
<br>That's right=2E A lot of diagnoses are abusive, esp=2E whe=
n considering
<br>the prevalent
<br>traumatic liminal state that pervades among our relatives =
within
<br>society=2E But as
<br>for me I attribute this to Big Pharma's lucrative motive, =
not legal
<br>summons which
<br>I've seen cases of while at the ward=2E
<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: =
1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"auto">
Absolutely no morality is inherent in the "law" just because =
it's
<br>the law=2E
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div dir=3D"auto">
<br>Precisely=2E Legal is not necessarily moral=2E
<br>
<br>Sylvain Saboua
<br>
</div>
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<div dir=3D"auto">
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