Re: DarwinPorts (MacPorts) Advisory: Stay with at least Xcode 2.2.1 on Intel (if not PPC)

On 8/27/06, Jordan K. Hubbard <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On Aug 27, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Tabitha McNerney wrote:
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> IMHO your views about the file systems in a dynamic world where global
> market forces shape the world are somewhat naive, no personal offense
> intended.
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> Why is it that conversations with you so often tend to veer wildly
> off-topic, going into everything from Apple's SEC filings to "global market
> forces" when the name on the mailing list says "darwinports" rather than
> "apple-general-discussion?"
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Mr. Hubbard, Darwin Ports is not living in isolation and it is connected to
other parts of a very fascinating and dynamic world which includes various
layers of systems (socioeconomic) that interoperate. I'd like to consider
myself a "well rounded" person who went to college to study how information
systems are tied to different disciplines including business and economic
systems. When you look at most of my posts, they are quite focused on Darwin
Ports which you could think of as a specialized niche, but its very hard
today being a versatlist (see <
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=versatilists&btnG=Google+Search >).

The SEC filings I mentioned a while back are indeed pertinent to Darwin
Ports because Darwin Ports is a community that is coupled with an artificial
person named Apple Computer Inc. as any competent lawyer would agree. The
reason the SEC filings were of interest is that they raise an eyebrow or two
about fundamental honesty / dishonesty issues of a corporation (I truly hope
it all comes out fine for Apple and no wrongdoing is discovered). How can
any person or global community for that matter, dealing with an American
corporation, not think twice about honesty and trust in a world post Enron?

There is nothing wrong from time to time to mention things that are
peripheral but not totally disjoint from Darwin Ports (its not as if my
comments were spam!). Raising tough questions or having reason for concern
once in a while is not going to do any harm.

Are you some kind of expert in these fields?  Perhaps you're an advisor to
> Goldman Sachs or Merrill Lynch on the subjects of option pricing and the
> global PC market and we should defer to your judgement, possibly only gently
> suggesting as an aside that you might better apply your expertise to more
> appropriate mailing lists and not waste it here on the unwashed Darwin
> masses.
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Nope, I'm not an expert in those fields.

If you're not, then why even pontificate on such matters when it's likely
> that you know little more than anyone else on the other side of the
> discussion?  Please, the Internet is already running a surplus on uninformed
> debate.
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You are very right that the Internet is full of a lot of noise and
uninformed people. I was only commenting on that public knowledge that the
SEC had announced and scratching my head a bit to wonder if there could be
any effect that trickles down to Darwin Ports. My email was by no means spam
and rather than belabor my concerns, I dropped the subject a while ago in
case you had not noticed.

When I mentioned in yesterday's email about "global market forces" these
forces are very relevant to Darwin Ports. For example, there seems to be a
growing interest in Ubuntu. Maybe some day not too far into the future some
people might have a desire to share data on an HFSX disc volume (including
data built from tools derived from Darwin Ports) on Ubuntu.

> I will continue my pursuit of building MacPorts on UFS regardless of what
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> anyone else thinks. There is no harm in doing so and it can only help the
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> collective knowledge of the MacPorts community.
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> As long as you're ready and able to deal with a MacOSX world with no UFS
> support at all, I'm sure no one will stop you from using UFS for anything
> and everything in the interim.   As they say in the boxing ring:  Go crazy,
> knock yourself out!
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Based on your recommendations, it would not be in the interest of the Darwin
Ports (Mac Ports) community members, including myself, to operate on UFS (if
anything it would be useless noise for me to report on bugs and other
problems when building on UFS). I apologize because I didn't know this was a
problem. It was only when I tried building out on UFS on an Intel based Mac
that I ran into these problems. Thank you very much for your insightful
recommendations and for accepting a few of my rather challenging questions
(together which has made the global Darwin/Mac Ports community more
knowledgeable and better off)!

Best regards,

T.

- Jordan
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