Re: The situation with version 0.4.14
"M. Ziggyesque" <[email protected]> Sat, 13 Feb 2021 20:07:40 +0000
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--===============0861089578344369170== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SA0PR02MB7131FF381633F1E5F4A3F05BD28A9SA0PR02MB7131namp_" --_000_SA0PR02MB7131FF381633F1E5F4A3F05BD28A9SA0PR02MB7131namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Suggestion for a fourth alternative, do the release, but split off the 3rd = party apps with regressions out of rosapps to roswork or some such, possibl= y as a separate repository, so the kernel and core apps can be focused on. = Someone fixes the regressions and that app can be moved back into the main = tree or repo. Can put in the release notes how to access that tree from Ros= BE for those interested in those apps. ________________________________ From: Ros-dev <[email protected]> on behalf of Alexander <art1st-= [email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 2:13:03 PM To: ReactOS Development List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] The situation with version 0.4.14 I vote for: 1. the immediate release of version 0.4.14 as it is, with the publication o= f the list of known regressions in the release notes 2. immediate start of preparation of release 0.4.15 just right after the re= lease of 0.4.14 Skipping the release is not a good option as we losing PR occasion. Regression fixing for 0.4.14 is waste of time and workforce (in case we can= not fix regressions immediately) -- Best regards, Alexander Rechitskiy +79286331900 09.02.2021, 18:48, "Victor Perevertkin" <[email protected]>: Hello! It seems for me that it's time to bring up the topic about our RC version - 0.4.14. Our current "stable", 0.4.13 was branched on 30 September, 2019 (remember those peacefull pre-COVID times :D) That's quite some time, but not the main issue I'd like to discuss. 0.4.14 was branched on 24 April, 2020. That's almost a year already. And we're in a difficult situation here - there are regressions, but nobody fixed them within this long time. According to https://reactos.org/wiki/Tests_for_0.4.14<https://na01.safelin= ks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Freactos.org%2Fwiki%2FTests_f= or_0.4.14&data=3D04%7C01%7C%7C1b67421acc4647ee003608d8d0538235%7C84df9e7fe9= f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637488404374119813%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d= 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&= sdata=3DhGuIjFm0SWyEU1EQcKW3rwW%2BHReUIP42vAip4m3KxWg%3D&reserved=3D0>, the= re are 29 unfixed regressions found for this release. I'd like to point out: most of them are among usermode and non-kernel/driver functionality, and as our development is mostly focused in the kernel right now, it's unexpected for them to be fixed unless a volunteer comes up. A quick reminder. Our "releases" mechanism is useful for finding regressions in the first place, there is no that much benefit for users here, because we're still a "deep" alpha. Correct me if I'm wrong. Joakim made a great job finding all regressions, and this work won't be lost in any case. We can't wait forever and I think it's time to resolve this situation somehow. I see two options: 1. Release 0.4.14 as-is. There were a lot more buggy releases, nobody dies from this. 2. Skip 0.4.14. This already happened once in the history of the project - 0.3.2 was skipped. I wasn't around at the time, but I may guess that reasons were similar to what we have today. (3.) Fix the bugs quickly. I don't expect this to happen, but who knows, maybe a volunteer appears :) Let's vote. This seem to be the only way for us to decide on things. Votes from the team members will be collected until 1 March. =3D=3D=3D I personally vote for skipping the release. The work on finding regressions is already done, so the most important part of a release cycle for us is there (thanks Joakim!) If we do a release now, all the stuff we were writing in news reports for the last 6 month would be missing from it. That would cause (as I think) a lot of confusion to people. Moreover 0.4.14 is not that featureful release itself (compared to 0.4.13, which brought the new USB stack) So I suggest to move on and start checking 0.4.15 for regressions. I expect quite some of them to appear and we need time for fixing. Cheers, Victor , _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev<https://na01.safelinks.protecti= on.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Freactos.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fros-d= ev&data=3D04%7C01%7C%7C1b67421acc4647ee003608d8d0538235%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb= 435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637488404374119813%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj= oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata= =3D86mocmgm5UVwJY4Mil4MpFVZwsp5Dcrv5gOphn3woh0%3D&reserved=3D0> -- =F3 =CE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=CD=C9 =D0=CF=D6=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1=CD=C9! --_000_SA0PR02MB7131FF381633F1E5F4A3F05BD28A9SA0PR02MB7131namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dkoi8-r"> </head> <body> <div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"direction: ltr; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-fami= ly: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; "> Suggestion for a fourth alternative, do the release, but split off the 3rd = party apps with regressions out of rosapps to roswork or some such, possibl= y as a separate repository, so the kernel and core apps can be focused on. = Someone fixes the regressions and that app can be moved back into the main tree or repo<span id=3D"ms-outloo= k-android-cursor"></span>. Can put in the release notes how to access that = tree from RosBE for those interested in those apps.</div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st= yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Ros-dev <ros-dev-b= [email protected]> on behalf of Alexander <[email protected]><b= r> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 13, 2021 2:13:03 PM<br> <b>To:</b> ReactOS Development List <[email protected]><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ros-dev] The situation with version 0.4.14</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255 ,255 ,255); color:rgb(0 ,0 ,0); font= -family:'arial' ,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight= :400; text-decoration-style:initial; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; = white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px"> I vote for:</div> <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255 ,255 ,255); color:rgb(0 ,0 ,0); font= -family:'arial' ,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight= :400; text-decoration-style:initial; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; = white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px"> 1. the <strong>immediate</strong> release of version <strong= >0.4.14</strong> as it is, with the publication of the list of known r= egressions in the release notes</div> <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255 ,255 ,255); color:rgb(0 ,0 ,0); font= -family:'arial' ,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight= :400; text-decoration-style:initial; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; = white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px"> 2. <strong>immediate start</strong> of preparation of release&nbs= p;<strong>0.4.15</strong> just right after the release of 0.4.14</div> <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255 ,255 ,255); color:rgb(0 ,0 ,0); font= -family:'arial' ,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight= :400; text-decoration-style:initial; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; = white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px"> </div> <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255 ,255 ,255); color:rgb(0 ,0 ,0); font= -family:'arial' ,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight= :400; text-decoration-style:initial; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; = white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px"> <strong>Skipping</strong> the release <strong>is not a good</stro= ng> option as we losing PR occasion.</div> <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255 ,255 ,255); color:rgb(0 ,0 ,0); font= -family:'arial' ,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight= :400; text-decoration-style:initial; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; = white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px"> Regression fixing for 0.4.14 is waste of time and workforce (in case we can= not fix regressions immediately)</div> <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255 ,255 ,255); color:rgb(0 ,0 ,0); font= -family:'arial' ,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight= :400; text-decoration-style:initial; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; = white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px"> </div> <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255 ,255 ,255); color:rgb(0 ,0 ,0); font= -family:'arial' ,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight= :400; text-decoration-style:initial; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; = white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px"> <div>-- </div> <div>Best regards,<br> Alexander Rechitskiy</div> <div>+79286331900</div> </div> </div> </div> <div> </div> <div>09.02.2021, 18:48, "Victor Perevertkin" <victor.perevertk= [email protected]>:</div> <blockquote> <p>Hello!<br> <br> It seems for me that it's time to bring up the topic about our RC<br> version - 0.4.14.<br> <br> Our current "stable", 0.4.13 was branched on 30 September, 2019<b= r> (remember those peacefull pre-COVID times :D)<br> That's quite some time, but not the main issue I'd like to discuss.<br> <br> 0.4.14 was branched on 24 April, 2020. That's almost a year already.<br> And we're in a difficult situation here - there are regressions, but<br> nobody fixed them within this long time.<br> According to <a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= =3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Freactos.org%2Fwiki%2FTests_for_0.4.14&data=3D04%7C01%7= C%7C1b67421acc4647ee003608d8d0538235%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1= %7C0%7C637488404374119813%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQI= joiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3DhGuIjFm0SWyEU1= EQcKW3rwW%2BHReUIP42vAip4m3KxWg%3D&reserved=3D0" originalsrc=3D"https:/= /reactos.org/wiki/Tests_for_0.4.14" shash=3D"CkkJpp0qnpamBbWu6B2jFtjQw5mvJD= SjR2iAtTB3v+0xoKmRuBEY3dxlh6m16v+Ypjhc6TZNU9mA3MparAisi/EwO5N+Z2U7fzfZ1laMo= Y65VC/00T2SPyvGpuUDTCfOk+VXH+oOyQ1Dp9kTIGb+OgAW3YVHz5B4opneEVki2EI=3D" rel= =3D"noopener noreferrer"> https://reactos.org/wiki/Tests_for_0.4.14</a>, there are 29<br> unfixed regressions found for this release. I'd like to point out: most<br> of them are among usermode and non-kernel/driver functionality, and as<br> our development is mostly focused in the kernel right now, it's<br> unexpected for them to be fixed unless a volunteer comes up.<br> <br> A quick reminder. Our "releases" mechanism is useful for finding<= br> regressions in the first place, there is no that much benefit for users<br> here, because we're still a "deep" alpha. Correct me if I'm wrong= .<br> Joakim made a great job finding all regressions, and this work won't be<br> lost in any case.<br> <br> We can't wait forever and I think it's time to resolve this situation<br> somehow. I see two options:<br> 1. Release 0.4.14 as-is. There were a lot more buggy releases, nobody<br> dies from this.<br> 2. Skip 0.4.14. This already happened once in the history of the<br> project - 0.3.2 was skipped. I wasn't around at the time, but I may<br> guess that reasons were similar to what we have today.<br> (3.) Fix the bugs quickly. I don't expect this to happen, but who<br> knows, maybe a volunteer appears :)<br> <br> Let's vote. This seem to be the only way for us to decide on things.<br> Votes from the team members will be collected until 1 March.<br> <br> =3D=3D=3D<br> <br> I personally vote for skipping the release. The work on finding<br> regressions is already done, so the most important part of a release<br> cycle for us is there (thanks Joakim!)<br> If we do a release now, all the stuff we were writing in news reports<br> for the last 6 month would be missing from it. That would cause (as I<br> think) a lot of confusion to people. Moreover 0.4.14 is not that<br> featureful release itself (compared to 0.4.13, which brought the new<br> USB stack)<br> So I suggest to move on and start checking 0.4.15 for regressions. I<br> expect quite some of them to appear and we need time for fixing.<br> <br> <br> Cheers,<br> Victor</p> , <p>_______________________________________________<br> Ros-dev mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">Ros-dev@= reactos.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%= 2Freactos.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fros-dev&data=3D04%7C01%7C%7C1b6742= 1acc4647ee003608d8d0538235%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637= 488404374119813%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzI= iLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3D86mocmgm5UVwJY4Mil4MpFVZ= wsp5Dcrv5gOphn3woh0%3D&reserved=3D0" originalsrc=3D"http://reactos.org/= mailman/listinfo/ros-dev" shash=3D"pALMmyn83BeCe22RNDy7dbuF5yEoWOCgbmKyeAVV= yWs2BCjGziQQDhYuA8hvGa6vssLdfzwefqiNw2W2kb6UrfVzbbvM+LTZ4I8PcnFQfknEmzciAPx= C5L0EIte0BqCjznE0Uf6Q1C3xHRS4X3Os56UsU/Matbj0Wnn4AXNSSmU=3D" rel=3D"noopene= r noreferrer">http://reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev</a></p> </blockquote> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>-- <br> =F3 =CE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=CD=C9 =D0=CF=D6=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1=CD=C9!</div> <div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_SA0PR02MB7131FF381633F1E5F4A3F05BD28A9SA0PR02MB7131namp_-- --===============0861089578344369170== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list [email protected] http://reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev --===============0861089578344369170==--