Re: [Sansevierias] S. 'Socotra' - a Glasshouse invention?

Judging some of these plants using pictures is very risky business as you know. My opinion of the subspicata you have pictured here is that it very well could be subspicata. One of the characteristics of this species is that it has a subulate tip which means it has a bit of a "curl" at the very tip - like some people can curl their tongue. For example, S. parva has a subulate leaf tip. Subspicata has a very tiny curl... but its there!
   Other characteristics of subspicata are that it has petiolate leaves which might not all look like carbon copies as to shape. The smooth leaf surface is said to feel like "ground glass". The darkness of the leaves in your picture mask the typical green/gray stripes of sansevierias, but I think this might be just a lack of light.
   Jude, even if Glasshouse does have the correct longiflora in their picture, I would not trust them to send the right plant. 


----- Original Message -----From: Jude Haverington <[email protected]>To: [email protected]: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 20:14:25 -0000 (UTC)Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. 'Socotra' - a Glasshouse invention? [1 Attachment]





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Some of my Subspicata leaves do have short petioles. You are right; this "Socotra" does not have petioles.
However, the color, and markings, are WAY different from subspicata. 
Here is one of my subspicata for comparison. Very different creature. 
You can also see the petioles on this plant. Note the dark green, mostly patternless leaves. 
I have never seen a subspicata that is patterned beyond vague blemishes of the same color. (such as mine.) 
This said; would you say that Glasshouse's longiflora is the real deal given their photo ? 




On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:06 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

 




Its been a number of years since the name S. Socotra was discussed here. Hermine will have to verify this, but I believe this name is not valid. It is a made-up name that implies it came from Socotra. Glasshouse doesn't seem to like plants named with only a collection number. 'Lav. 309' is not a very sexy name.

We have taken Glasshouse Works to the woodshed here over and over again as a purveyor of BAD names. I have visited them personally with my brother, Dale, some 12+ years ago and found few names on their plants. I surmised they are not judicious about accuracy of names, or what they send out.  Sansevierias are not their forte, and they don't take kindly to anybody correcting their errors.

Olga made reference to the name 'socotra' in a previous message and I made, and attached here, full scans of the 3 pertinent pages in the Sansevieria Journal for any who might want to read what J. Chahinian said about the plant called Socotra. It is a bit confusing for me to follow given my God-given inability to juggle more than 2 concepts in my head at once, but the pages will print on 8.5 X 11 paper which makes it a bit easier.

This whole Socotra / Lake Sibaya / Concina thing makes my head hurt to think about it. The bottom line to me is this about Jude's picture of "Socotra from Glasshouse": Jude, I see no sign of a petiole on your plant. It looks  like it could be S. subspicata. But thats jus' me.
M.

----- Original Message -----From: Jude Haverington <[email protected]>To: [email protected]

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Hi,
Thanks for the lovely photo! 
I have a photo of my Socotra. I have no idea how big it will get, but it is turning into a very nice plant. It's pretty unusual. 



On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:50 AM, Цвето Мания <[email protected]> wrote:

 


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Jude had mentioned a Socotra bought from Glasshouseworks and that was I asked  for a picture of )
I must have expressed myself incorrectly. Sorry about that. But since we have a nice discussion of S.longiflora I'd like to show mine too.