Brazilian politics

This is not fiction, have fun:

http://www.paulomaluf11.can.br/site/freeway/

A plan to build 12 more lanes along our main river (that already has 14
lanes in their borders).

He's actually a federal deputy and also former mayor and governor of Sao
Paulo.

Luckily he doesn't have to much chance this time for mayor.

Thiago Benicchio
http://apocalipsemotorizado.net
skype: benicchio


On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 12:48 -0700, KRASH wrote:

> As long as people keep packing into the cities, you
> will have an ever increasing problem. Traffic
> congestion is only one of them.
> 
> One thing some engineers here in the US have figured
> out is that there is no possable solution.
>  It boils down to a simple rule of human behavior.
> If you give some one a space, they will fill it...
> 
> ie. If you add a road or tunnel to relieve congestion,
> more cars will show up.
>  If you cut back on the cars ( high parking fees
> etc.),
> then the space will be filled with some thing else (
> bikes, peddacabs, padestrians etc.)
> If you want any chance of controling the problem, you
> have to work with in this parrameter.
> KRASH
> 
> --- Eleanor Blue <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Ian, check out our New York colleagues' wiki page on
> > the concept of induced
> > demand. I'm not sure there's anything there to
> > directly answer your question
> > about whether congestion pricing will increase
> > traffic by increasing road
> > space (I'm not sure you could find any transport
> > professional willing to
> > make that argument!), but you'll find some good
> > arguments against your
> > motorway tunnel.
> > 
> >
> http://www.openplans.org/projects/roadcapacity/project-home
> > 
> > Elly
> > 
> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Pascal van den
> > Noort <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Amsterdam does not have congestion charging, but
> > it has successfully
> > > reduced traffic to and in the inner city by
> > implementing three measures,
> > > preceded by a referendum early
> > nineties.Introduction of ever increasing
> > > parking rates, approaching € 5 per hour now;
> > reducing the number of parking
> > > places; introducing lots of one way streets. The
> > results are very good.
> > > If desired figures can be produced by the city.
> > >
> > >
> > > Pascal J.W. van den Noort
> > > Executive Director Velo Mondial
> > >
> > > http://velomondial.blogspot.com
> > > www.velomondial.net
> > > www.velo.info
> > > http://spicycles.velo.info
> > > [email protected]
> > >
> > > +31206270675 landline
> > > +31627055688 mobile phone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 7, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Ian Fiddies wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All!
> > > As if I didn't have enough to do my local council
> > in Gothenburg has
> > > decided to build an new motorway tunnel under the
> > river. I naturally feel
> > > that this is a bad move but it comes as no
> > surprise and has been hovering in
> > > the air since about a year after they finished
> > present motorway tunnel under
> > > the river. I intend to do everything in my power
> > to stop the project.
> > >
> > > For some time now I have been pondering over a
> > theory that congestion is
> > > the only true limiting factor in unregulated
> > traffic. It is based on one of
> > > my fears about congestion charging. Simply
> > applying a charge to drive at
> > > certain times of the day will initially reduce the
> > congestion but this
> > > relief will soon be eaten up by the financially
> > stronger drivers driving
> > > more. In London the charge has been accompanied by
> > other measures reducing
> > > the amount of road space allocated to cars mainly
> > to the advantage of bus
> > > lanes. (Good stuff Ken.) But it doesn't help me to
> > prove my theory.
> > >
> > > Has anyone been thinking along similar lines or
> > know of someone who has?
> > > This idea seems so obvious that someone else must
> > have already done research
> > > on it. Ideally it would be best with empirical
> > data from a city that has
> > > used road space as a limiting factor to reduce
> > traffic. If a new road always
> > > generates more traffic the opposite intuitively
> > seems true. Taking away a
> > > lane will reduce traffic. Help me prove this
> > please.
> > >
> > > /Ian Fiddies
> > >
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