Re: With gas prices major problem: opportunity for carfree program
Aaron Thomas <[email protected]> Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:26:30 +0100
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--e89a8fb1f86264185904bb838ec8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just a short list of key facts to cite could be easy to generate and use. - on health effects - on economic effects - on environmental effects - on safety etc. When people see a chance to write something like a comment, or a letter to a newspaper, then such facts can be easy to cite. /Aaron On 17 March 2012 16:44, Jason Meggs <[email protected]> wrote: > Justin, > > Very happy to hear of this interest coming together. Good strong ideas on > next steps. > > I suggest we organize a first skype meeting offline with everyone who has > expressed interest. > > To reiterate, in an updated way: > > There is so much opportunity to put the carfree cities idea on the web > now (commenting on news articles and > blogs, for instance), and to put it in more mainstream media; there are > rarely articles about the carfree > cities solution. (I know many of us do this in one way or another, > commenting on articles, but what about *specifically* promoting an end to > the car in the city?) > > We can point to successful examples like recent carfree days in Rome and > Milan (to curb pollution). What about the most deadly vehicular pollutant > there is, CO2? When will we begin to address that, or has humanity given > up hope? > > Press releases can generate articles -- but only if they're written and > sent! Letters to the editor of major newspapers can be written as well, > along with longer OpEd pieces. With some organization this could be > successful. > > It just takes time, although it can be fun, and more effective with some > coordinated energy. > > One approach (or first step) would be to make resources available: > > * How to make a public message > - With example statements, press releases, etc. > > * Where to make a public message > - With contact lists > > I know such guides have been made many times, most NGO/NPO groups have at > least an internal one. So we could surely obtain some of these and make a > super global excellent one. > > The very first step is to form a working group. > > If we can make a game out of this even better (from the bouncy playful > rather not be a robot perspective. (Hm, robots...can they be used for good, > not just evil? Hmmm........)). > > Jason > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Justin Hyatt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Aaron, Jason and all, >> >> I like the sound of paying more attention to the carfree message in the >> media. And yes, in fact there was a media working group in the past, >> although that has not been very active of late. But if there is renewed >> interest in that, there is no reason why we couldn't restart that! I would >> suggest, if Aaron, Jason and others are interested, we could start by first >> recruiting a few more volunteers, and then continue with the work on the >> media list. >> >> It would make the most sense to start with a few modest goals, and see >> how that goes. Work could consist of both sending reactions to car-slanted >> stories in the media, as well as getting out the word with blogs and >> articles in various places. There could also be a basic message template >> that could function as a press release or a basic article to build on. >> >> Are there people who would like to work on that? I could put a call out >> to join in the bulletin or elsewhere, but it would be good to have 5-10 or >> more people to get started. >> >> any thoughts? >> >> Justin >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Jason Meggs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Great idea about building in emergency capacity for communities. >>> Buildings can also be more fire proof. >>> >>> Here in Bologna (Italy), I rarely see a fire truck, although I see >>> plenty of car crashes and ambulances. This contrasts with the USA >>> where the Fire Department is typically the first on the scene at all >>> emergency response, because they are fastest and generally deployed by >>> default. >>> >>> I assume fire engines are rarely seen because the city is built of >>> bricks; a building on fire seems very unlikely. Good thing too as >>> people tend to be locked behind multiple gates and doors, and the >>> density means an urban wildfire could spread very quickly. >>> >>> In the USA, automobile congestion is a major factor in emergency >>> response delays, causing additional loss of life. (In contrast there's >>> no delay when there's a critical mass ride when a fire truck needs to >>> get through, because bicyclists clear the street almost instantly, >>> whereas motor vehicle gridlock has no option.) >>> >>> All the more support for carfree cities, even if they must be built >>> with bricks with hoses dangling everywhere. :)p >>> >>> The original idea was to get the word out: this is an exciting idea. >>> Maybe easier said than done, but one must start somewhere. Is there >>> any energy for this? Should a committee be created? WCN was working on >>> identifying media contacts around the world at one point when I was on >>> the Steering Committee. There is so much opportunity to put the >>> carfree cities idea on the web now (commenting on news articles and >>> blogs, for instance), and there are rarely articles about the carfree >>> cities solution. Letters to the editor of major newspapers is an >>> additional approach. It just takes time, although it can be fun, and >>> more effective with some coordinated energy. One approach (or first >>> step) would be to make resources available: >>> >>> * How to make a public message >>> >>> * Where to make a public message >>> >>> I know such things have been made many times, most NGO/NPO groups have >>> at least an internal one. So we could probably find some of these and >>> make a super global excellent one. >>> >>> Then in terms of making it happen, since we can assume zero funds at >>> present we could maybe make a game...you get points... >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Lloyd Wright <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > I have noticed in some car-free areas of Shanghai, the fire service is >>> built >>> > into the community's structure. There are facilities with >>> extinguishers and >>> > hoses at certain points in the community, which means the community >>> members >>> > are largely their own fire department. >>> > >>> > It is also worth noting that these communities have no buildings >>> taller than >>> > three stories, which also tends to mitigate the need for more >>> elaborate fire >>> > protection investments. >>> > >>> > Best regards, >>> > >>> > Lloyd >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: carfree_network-/[email protected] >>> > [mailto:carfree_network-/[email protected]] On Behalf Of J.H. Crawford >>> > Sent: 29 February 2012 22:31 >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Cc: [email protected]; carfree_network-/[email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: [carfree_network] With gas prices major problem: >>> opportunity >>> > for carfree program >>> > >>> > >>> > Aaron said: >>> > >>> >>Surely we cannot go straight for a 100% carfree world, not least >>> because >>> > car-like vehicles are needed for emergency services. >>> > >>> > Emergency services are a bit of a red herring. The actual number of >>> trips is >>> > very small and most of the police activity can be on bikes. The number >>> of >>> > ambulance runs will be down significantly now that people aren't >>> getting >>> > hurt in car crashes. >>> > >>> > Except for Venice and Fes, no existing city has streets that are too >>> narrow >>> > for emergency services. When we narrow the streets after cars are >>> gone, we >>> > must make sure not to make them so narrow that fire trucks cannot >>> serve all >>> > buildings. This is not difficult, and smaller fire trucks are already >>> in >>> > wide use in Japan in any case. >>> > >>> > So, there's really no reason to delay on the conversion to carfree >>> cities. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > >>> > Joel >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- ### ----- >>> > J.H. Crawford >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://www.carfree.com >>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/carfreecities Video channels: >>> > http://vimeo.com/jhcrawford/videos >>> > http://www.youtube.com/user/CarfreeCities >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "World Carfree Network" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] >>> > Replies are sent to the author of the message. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] >>> > Replies are sent to the author of the message. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "World Carfree Network" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] >>> Replies are sent to the author of the message. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "World Carfree Network" group. >> To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] >> Replies are sent to the author of the message. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "World Carfree Network" group. To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] Replies are sent to the author of the message. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en --e89a8fb1f86264185904bb838ec8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a short list of key facts to cite could be easy to generate and use.<b= r><br>- on health effects<br>- on economic effects<br>- on environmental ef= fects<br>- on safety <br>etc.<br><br>When people see a chance to write some= thing like a comment, or a letter to a newspaper, then such facts can be ea= sy to cite.<br> <br>/Aaron<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 March 2012 16:44, Jason = Meggs <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">jmeggs@bclu.= org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar= gin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1= ex"> Justin,<div><br></div><div>Very happy to hear of this interest coming toget= her. Good strong ideas on next steps.</div><div><br></div><div>I suggest we= organize a first skype meeting offline with everyone who has expressed int= erest.</div> <div><br></div><div><span>To reiterate, in an updated way:</span></div><div= ><span><br></span></div><div><div class=3D"im"><span>There is so much oppor= tunity to put the=A0</span><span>carfree cities idea on the web now (commen= ting on news articles and</span><br> </div><span>blogs, for instance), and to put it in more mainstream media; t= here are rarely articles about the carfree</span><br><span>cities solution.= (I know many of us do this in one way or another, commenting on articles, = but what about *specifically* promoting an end to the car in the city?)</sp= an></div> <div><span><br></span></div><div><span>We can point to successful examples = like recent carfree days in Rome and Milan (to curb pollution). What about = the most deadly vehicular pollutant there is, CO2? =A0When will we begin to= address that, or has humanity given up hope?</span></div> <div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Press releases can generate articles= -- but only if they're written and sent! Letters to the editor of majo= r newspapers can be written as well, along with longer OpEd pieces</span><s= pan>. With some organization this could be successful.</span></div> <div class=3D"im"> <div><span><br></span></div><div><span>It just takes time, although it can = be fun, and=A0</span><span>more effective with some coordinated energy.=A0<= /span></div><div><span><br></span></div></div><div><div class=3D"im"><span>= One approach (or first=A0</span><span>step) would be to make resources avai= lable:</span><br> <br><span>* How to make a public message</span><br></div>=A0 =A0 - With exa= mple statements, press releases, etc.</div><div><div class=3D"im"><br><span= >* Where to make a public message</span><br></div><span>=A0 =A0 - With cont= act lists</span></div> <div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I know such guides have been made ma= ny times, most NGO/NPO groups have=A0</span><span>at least an internal one.= So we could surely obtain some of these and=A0</span><span>make a super gl= obal excellent one.</span></div> <div><br></div><div><div>The very first step is to form a working group.</d= iv><br></div><div>If we can make a game out of this even better (from the b= ouncy playful rather not be a robot perspective. (Hm, robots...can they be = used for good, not just evil? Hmmm........)).</div> <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"> <div><br></div><div>Jason</div></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div cla= ss=3D"h5"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:= 27 PM, Justin Hyatt <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"= target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-= left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Hi Aaron, Jason and all,<div><br></div><div>I like the sound of paying more= attention to the carfree message in the media. And yes, in fact there was = a media working group in the past, although that has not been very active o= f late. But if there is renewed interest in that, there is no reason why we= couldn't restart that! I would suggest, if Aaron, Jason and others are= interested, we could start by first recruiting a few more volunteers, and = then continue with the work on the media list.</div> <div><br></div><div>It would make the most sense to start with a few modest= goals, and see how that goes. Work could consist of both sending reactions= to car-slanted stories in the media, as well as getting out the word with = blogs and articles in various places. There could also be a basic message t= emplate that could function as a press release or a basic article to build = on.</div> <div><br></div><div>Are there people who would like to work on that? I coul= d put a call out to join in the bulletin or elsewhere, but it would be good= to have 5-10 or more people to get started.</div><div><br></div><div> any thoughts?<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br> <br>Justin</font></span><div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu= , Mar 1, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Jason Meggs <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mail= to:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:= <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-= left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Great idea about building in emergency capacity for communities.<br> Buildings can also be more fire proof.<br> <br> Here in Bologna (Italy), I rarely see a fire truck, although I see<br> plenty of car crashes and ambulances. This contrasts with the USA<br> where the Fire Department is typically the first on the scene at all<br> emergency response, because they are fastest and generally deployed by<br> default.<br> <br> I assume fire engines are rarely seen because the city is built of<br> bricks; a building on fire seems very unlikely. Good thing too as<br> people tend to be locked behind multiple gates and doors, and the<br> density means an urban wildfire could spread very quickly.<br> <br> In the USA, automobile congestion is a major factor in emergency<br> response delays, causing additional loss of life. (In contrast there's<= br> no delay when there's a critical mass ride when a fire truck needs to<b= r> get through, because bicyclists clear the street almost instantly,<br> whereas motor vehicle gridlock has no option.)<br> <br> All the more support for carfree cities, even if they must be built<br> with bricks with hoses dangling everywhere. :)p<br> <br> The original idea was to get the word out: this is an exciting idea.<br> Maybe easier said than done, but one must start somewhere. Is there<br> any energy for this? Should a committee be created? WCN was working on<br> identifying media contacts around the world at one point when I was on<br> the Steering Committee. There is so much opportunity to put the<br> carfree cities idea on the web now (commenting on news articles and<br> blogs, for instance), and there are rarely articles about the carfree<br> cities solution. Letters to the editor of major newspapers is an<br> additional approach. It just takes time, although it can be fun, and<br> more effective with some coordinated energy. One approach (or first<br> step) would be to make resources available:<br> <br> * How to make a public message<br> <br> * Where to make a public message<br> <br> I know such things have been made many times, most NGO/NPO groups have<br> at least an internal one. So we could probably find some of these and<br> make a super global excellent one.<br> <br> Then in terms of making it happen, since we can assume zero funds at<br> present we could maybe make a game...you get points...<br> <font color=3D"#888888"><br> Jason<br> </font><div><div></div><div><br> <br> <br> <br> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Lloyd Wright <<a href=3D"mailto:lwright@= vivacities.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> > I have noticed in some car-free areas of Shanghai, the fire service is= built<br> > into the community's structure. =A0There are facilities with extin= guishers and<br> > hoses at certain points =A0in the community, which means the community= members<br> > are largely their own fire department.<br> ><br> > It is also worth noting that these communities have no buildings talle= r than<br> > three stories, which also tends to mitigate the need for more elaborat= e fire<br> > protection investments.<br> ><br> > Best regards,<br> ><br> > Lloyd<br> ><br> > -----Original Message-----<br> > From: <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-/[email protected]" target=3D"_b= lank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><br> > [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-/[email protected]" target=3D"= _blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a>] On Behalf Of J.H. Crawford<br= > > Sent: 29 February 2012 22:31<br> > To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">aaron= [email protected]</a><br> > Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">jagmad@rise= up.net</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-/[email protected]" target=3D"_= blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><br> > Subject: Re: [carfree_network] With gas prices major problem: opportun= ity<br> > for carfree program<br> ><br> ><br> > Aaron said:<br> ><br> >>Surely we cannot go straight for a 100% carfree world, not least be= cause<br> > car-like vehicles are needed for emergency services.<br> ><br> > Emergency services are a bit of a red herring. The actual number of tr= ips is<br> > very small and most of the police activity can be on bikes. The number= of<br> > ambulance runs will be down significantly now that people aren't g= etting<br> > hurt in car crashes.<br> ><br> > Except for Venice and Fes, no existing city has streets that are too n= arrow<br> > for emergency services. When we narrow the streets after cars are gone= , we<br> > must make sure not to make them so narrow that fire trucks cannot serv= e all<br> > buildings. This is not difficult, and smaller fire trucks are already = in<br> > wide use in Japan in any case.<br> ><br> > So, there's really no reason to delay on the conversion to carfree= cities.<br> ><br> > Best,<br> ><br> > Joel<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > ----- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ### =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-----<br> > J.H. Crawford<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">mailbox@carfr= ee.com</a><br> > <a href=3D"http://www.carfree.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.carfre= e.com</a><br> > Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/carfreecities" target=3D"_blank= ">http://twitter.com/carfreecities</a> Video channels:<br> > <a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/jhcrawford/videos" target=3D"_blank">http:= //vimeo.com/jhcrawford/videos</a><br> > <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/CarfreeCities" target=3D"_blank= ">http://www.youtube.com/user/CarfreeCities</a><br> ><br> > --<br> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups<br> > "World Carfree Network" group.<br> > To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network= @googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><b= r> > Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]</a><br> > For more options, visit this group at<br> > <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl= =3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl= =3Den?hl=3Den</a><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br> > Groups "World Carfree Network" group.<br> > To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network= @googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><b= r> > Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]</a><br> > For more options, visit this group at<br> > <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl= =3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl= =3Den?hl=3Den</a><br> <br> --<br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br> Groups "World Carfree Network" group.<br> To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network@goog= legroups.com" target=3D"_blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><br> Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<br> <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]" target=3D"_= blank">carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]</a><br> For more options, visit this group at<br> <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den" = target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl= =3Den</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br> </div></div></div><div><div> <p></p> -- <br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br> Groups "World Carfree Network" group.<br> To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network@goog= legroups.com" target=3D"_blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><br> Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<br> <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]" target=3D"_= blank">carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]</a><br> For more options, visit this group at<br> <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den" = target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl= =3Den</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> <p></p> -- <br /> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br /> Groups "World Carfree Network" group.<br /> To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected]<br /> Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br /> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<br /> carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]<br /> For more options, visit this group at<br /> <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den">= http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den</a> --e89a8fb1f86264185904bb838ec8--