Re: How to link carism and environmentalism
Geoff Beacon <[email protected]> Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:23:44 +0100
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1350725024141712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bob I'm not particularly keen on big reports - although if the authors have enough status they can be effective. Sadly, I haven't too much status but I am getting some attention from local and national planners now. What I'm arguing for in York is developments that will have the same look and feel as the Cherry Grove, Fire Island as shown in Joel Crawford's CarFree Times - http://carfree.com/cft/i067.html I'll help with the science and environmental aspects when you ask. Geoff ----- Original message ----- From: Robert Dierker <[1][email protected]> To: [2]carfree_network-/[email protected] Cc: Gabrielle Hermann <[3]gabbyherm-/[email protected]>, [4][email protected] Subject: Re: [carfree_network] How to link carism and environmentalism Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Hi Geoff. Thanks for the posting. I disagree, though. I think we have an information overload. I think we have a propensity to study a problem and create a huge report and then say - well, nothing. These reports are wonderful and they''re needed to separate fact and fancy, but a series of reports does not a movement make. Have you ever watched a documentary on, say, food processing or filmed plastic? At the end I say to myself: "great! look at all that information. Now why didn't they just go one step further and say: refuse to take a plastic bag - don't buy garbage bags - deal with your garbage this way?" They never do. They think the information itself is all we need. I'm sure there are ways to say "do this" without great liability. All we get is information, not direction. - except in the form of advertising... On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:08:12 PM UTC-7, Geoff Beacon wrote: Gabrielle, That's interesting. We also need some economic analysis to identify the benefits and possibilities for car free living. I've tried it here: [5]http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/ a-parable-of-four-villages/ I'm not sure how well it worked but I think it's in the right direction. and Robert You may find some amusement in this:[6] http://www.beacon-dodsworth. co.uk/blog/general-news/a-holiday-pastime-the-hypocrisy-index/ Geoff ----- Original message ----- From: Gabrielle Hermann <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='javascript:'. For more information on phishing click [7]here.> To: FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='javascript:'. For more information on phishing click [8]here. Cc: FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='javascript:'. For more information on phishing click [9]here. Subject: Re: [carfree_network] How to link carism and environmentalism Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:55:48 -0400 Oh man, I feel for you! I'm an American/German living in Germany for precisely that reason. I just wrote a scientific article on car-free households (hopefully to be published early next year, if accepted). One of the great paradoxes is that being an environmentalist is in some cases negatively associated with being car-free. There are a bunch of psychologists in Germany trying to figure out this irony. One of the theoretical constructs that has been used to explain this is called the Theory of Planned Behavior. For instance, the likelihood that an individual will develop an intention to travel by bicycle increases if that person holds a positive attitude towards bicycles and believes that bicycling conditions are safe and cycling is a fast and efficient transport-mode (not to mention a belief in the ability to ride a bicycle). Once the intention to bicycle is sufficiently high, actual bicycling behavior will result. The PhD by Steve Melia (found online) explains this theory pretty well. Here are some conclusions I reached in my article, which was a literature review of German- and Anglophone research on car-free households: - majority of people are car-free to save money. - After becoming car-free, environmental awareness about negative environmental affects can increase because they no longer have to fight the cognitive dissonance caused by their car driving habits. They're free-er to face it once their car is gone. - To convince people to give up their car, better to focus on health and economic benefits. Young environmentalists might be more attracted to the bicycle because it offers flexibility, speed, and keeps them in shape. I realized in Canada that teh cold makes this more difficult. - New technologies (car sharing, smart phones) can make car-free living more attractive and cool. Hope this helps! And good luck :) Gabrielle On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Robert Dierker wrote: Hello. I volunteer for several environmental groups in Vancouver Canada. One thing they seem to have in common is a belief that the use of cars is a necessary evil within their organizations. I can send many examples, if requested, but I'm sure you've all seen it. Canada and the US are stuck in a well orchestrated car culture - no doubt about it - and the natural resources of Canada are now hijacked by foreign corporate giants. Their government lobby efforts and PR machines are in full force here. My great concern, now, is that our new batch of young environmentalists can't leave their cars behind. This is not particularly new, but seems to be more pronounced than it used to be. Our environmental movements can't move forward with this kind of base line. I have no particular influence within Vancouver's environmental movement, however I want to affect this one component of change: I want these groups to weigh the value of each member's opinion and motivation with respect to their personal activities with cars. Before I go I would like to remind any reader that Canada gets REALLY cold. These groups have to define models that will work in an individualistic, affluent society at -25c. How do I do this? Please help. Robert. 604-440-0860 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "World Carfree Network" group. To post to this group, send email to FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='javascript:'. For more information on phishing click [10]here. Replies are sent to the author of the message. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. 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To unsubscribe from this group, send email to carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] For more options, visit this group at [17]http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:carfree_network-/[email protected] 3. mailto:gabbyherm-/[email protected] 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/a-parable-of-four-villages/ 6. http://www.beacon-dodsworth.co.uk/blog/general-news/a-holiday-pastime-the-hypocrisy-index/ 7. file://localhost/docs/phishing.html 8. file://localhost/docs/phishing.html 9. file://localhost/docs/phishing.html 10. file://localhost/docs/phishing.html 11. file://localhost/docs/phishing.html 12. http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en 13. file://localhost/docs/phishing.html 14. file://localhost/docs/phishing.html 15. http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en 16. file://localhost/docs/phishing.html 17. http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en -- Geoff Beacon [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "World Carfree Network" group. 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To unsubscribe from this group, send email to carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en --_----------=_1350725024141712 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <!--/*SC*/DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "htt= p://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"/*EC*/--> <html><head><title></title><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- body{padding:1ex;m= argin:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:small}a[href]{color:-moz-hyperlink= text!important;text-decoration:-moz-anchor-decoration}blockquote{margin:0;b= order-left:2px solid #144fae;padding-left:1em}blockquote blockquote{border-= color:#006312}blockquote blockquote blockquote{border-color:#540000} --></s= tyle></head><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: medium;" dir= =3D"ltr"><div class=3D"defangedMessage"> <div id=3D"me55627"> <div> Hi Bob</div> <div> </div> <div> I'm not particularly keen on big reports - although if the authors h= ave enough status they can be effective.</div> <div> </div> <div> Sadly, I haven't too much status but I am getting some attention fro= m local and national planners now.</div> <div> </div> <div> What I'm arguing for in York is developments that will have the same= look and feel as the<span style=3D"font-size:large;"> <span style=3D"font-= size:medium;"><font face=3D"Arial">Cherry Grove, Fire Island</font></span><= /span></div> <div> <span style=3D"font-size:medium;"><font face=3D"Arial">as shown in Joel = </font></span>Crawford<span style=3D"font-size:medium;"><font face=3D"Arial= ">'s </font></span>CarFree Times - http://carfree.com/cft/i067.html</di= v> <div> </div> <div> I'll help with the science and environmental aspects when you ask.</= div> <div> </div> <div> Geoff</div> <div> </div> <div> ----- Original message -----</div> <div> From: Robert Dierker <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">bobnowi= [email protected]</a>></div> <div> To: <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-/[email protected]">carfree_network@= googlegroups.com</a></div> <div> Cc: Gabrielle Hermann <<a href=3D"mailto:gabbyherm-/[email protected]">gabbyhe= rm-/[email protected]</a>>, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">bobnowires@gm= ail.com</a></div> <div> Subject: Re: [carfree_network] How to link carism and environmentalism</= div> <div> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:19:52 -0700 (PDT)</div> <div> </div> <span style=3D"font-size: large; ">Hi Geoff.<br /> <br /> <span style=3D"font-size: large; "> Thanks for the <span styl= e=3D"font-size: large; ">posting. I disagree, though. I think w= e have an information overload.<br /> <br /> <span style=3D"font-size: large; "> I think we have a propens= ity to study a problem and create </span>a huge report and then sa<span sty= le=3D"font-size: large; ">y - well, nothing. These reports are wonder= ful and they''re needed to separate fact and fancy, but <span style= =3D"font-size: large; ">a series of reports does not a movement make.</span= ><br /> <br /> <span style=3D"font-size: large; "> Have you ever watched a documen= tary on<span style=3D"font-size: large; ">, say, <span style=3D"font-size: = large; ">food processing or filmed plastic?</span></span></span> At t= he end I say to myself: "great! look at all that information. No= w why didn't they just go one step further and say: <span style=3D"font= -size: large; ">refuse to take a plastic bag - don't buy garbage bags -= deal with your garbage this way?" They never do. They thi= nk the information itself is all we need.</span> I'm sure there a= re ways to say <span style=3D"font-size: large; ">"</span>do this"= ; without great liability. <span style=3D"font-size: large; ">All we = get is information, not direction. - except in the form of advertising...</= span></span></span></span></span><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:08:12 PM UTC-7, Geoff Beacon wrote: <blockquote class=3D"me55627gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: = 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:medium"> <div> <div> <div> Gabrielle,</div> <div> </div> <div> That's interesting.</div> <div> </div> <div> We also need some economic analysis to identify the benefits and po= ssibilities for car free living.</div> <div> I've tried it here: <a href=3D"http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/a-= parable-of-four-villages/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/= <wbr />a-parable-of-four-villages/</a></div> <div> I'm not sure how well it worked but I think it's in the rig= ht direction.</div> <div> </div> <div> and Robert</div> <div> </div> <div> You may find some amusement in this:<a href=3D"http://www.beacon-do= dsworth.co.uk/blog/general-news/a-holiday-pastime-the-hypocrisy-index/" tar= get=3D"_blank"> http://www.beacon-dodsworth.<wbr />co.uk/blog/general-news/= a-<wbr />holiday-pastime-the-hypocrisy-<wbr />index/</a></div> <div> </div> <div> Geoff</div> <div> </div> <div> ----- Original message -----</div> <div> From: Gabrielle Hermann <<b>FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text contai= ns a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL= =3D'<u>javascript:</u>'. For more information on phishing click <a = href=3D"/docs/phishing.html" target=3D"_top">here</a>.</b>></div> <div> To: <b>FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript= attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL=3D'<u>javascript:</= u>'. For more information on phishing click <a href=3D"/docs/phishing.h= tml" target=3D"_top">here</a>.</b></div> <div> Cc: <b>FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript= attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL=3D'<u>javascript:</= u>'. For more information on phishing click <a href=3D"/docs/phishing.h= tml" target=3D"_top">here</a>.</b></div> <div> Subject: Re: [carfree_network] How to link carism and environmental= ism</div> <div> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:55:48 -0400</div> <div> </div> <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"> Oh man, I feel for you! I'm an American/German living in German= y for precisely that reason. I just wrote a scientific article on car-free = households (hopefully to be published early next year, if accepted). One of= the great paradoxes is that being an environmentalist is in some cases neg= atively associated with being car-free. There are a bunch of psychologists = in Germany trying to figure out this irony. One of the theoretical construc= ts that has been used to explain this is called the Theory of Planned Behav= ior. <span style=3D"line-height:150%"><span>For instance, the likelih= ood that an individual will develop an intention to travel by bicycle incre= ases if that person holds a positive attitude towards bicycles <u>and</u> b= elieves that bicycling conditions are safe and cycling is a fast and effici= ent transport-mode (not to mention a belief in the ability to ride a bicycl= e). Once the intention to bicycle is sufficiently high, actual bicycling be= havior will result.</span></span> The PhD by Steve Melia (found online= ) explains this theory pretty well. <div> </div> <div> Here are some conclusions I reached in my article, which was a lit= erature review of German- and Anglophone research on car-free households:&n= bsp; <div> </div> <div> - majority of people are car-free to save money. </div> <div> - After becoming car-free, environmental awareness about negative= environmental affects can increase because they no longer have to fight th= e cognitive dissonance caused by their car driving habits. They're free= -er to face it once their car is gone. </div> <div> - To convince people to give up their car, better to focus on hea= lth and economic benefits. Young environmentalists might be more attracted = to the bicycle because it offers flexibility, speed, and keeps them in shap= e. I realized in Canada that teh cold makes this more difficult. </div= > <div> - New technologies (car sharing, smart phones) can make car-free = living more attractive and cool. </div> <div> </div> <div> Hope this helps! And good luck :) </div> <div> </div> <div> Gabrielle</div> <div> <div> <br /> <div> <div> On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Robert Dierker wrote:</div> <br /> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <span style=3D"font-size:large">Hello.<br /> <br /> I volunteer for several environmental groups<span= style=3D"font-size:large"> in Vancouver Canada. On<span style=3D"fon= t-size:large">e thing they seem to have in common is a belief that the use = of cars is a necessary evil within their organizations.<span style=3D"font-= size:large"> <span style=3D"font-size:large">I can send many examples= , if requested, but I'm sure you've all seen it.</span></span> = ;<br /> <br /> <span style=3D"font-size:large"> </span>Canada and= the US are stuck in a well <span style=3D"font-size:large">orchestrated</s= pan> car culture - no doubt about it<span style=3D"font-size:large"> - and = the natural resources of Canada <span style=3D"font-size:large">are</span> = no<span style=3D"font-size:large">w hijacked by foreign corporate giants.&n= bsp; The<span style=3D"font-size:large">ir government lobby efforts and PR = machines are in full force here.</span><br /> <br /> M</span>y great concern, now, is that <span style= =3D"font-size:large">our new batch of young environmentalists can't lea= ve their car<span style=3D"font-size:large">s behind. This is not par= ticularly new, but <span style=3D"font-size:large">seems to be</span> more = pronounced<span style=3D"font-size:large"> than it used to be.</span> = Our <span style=3D"font-size:large">environmental</span> movements can'= ;t move forward with this kind of base line.<br /> <br /> <span style=3D"font-size:large"> I have no particu= lar influence within Vancouver's environmental movement<span style=3D"f= ont-size:large">, however I want to <span style=3D"font-size:large">affect = this one component of change: I want these groups to <span style=3D"font-si= ze:large">weigh</span> the value of <span style=3D"font-size:large">each</s= pan> member's opinion </span></span></span>and motivation with respect = to their personal activities with cars.<br /> <br /> <span style=3D"font-size:large"> Before I go I wou= ld like to remind any reader that Canada gets REALLY cold. These grou= ps have to define models that will work in an individualistic, affluent soc= iety at -25c.</span><br /> <br /> <span style=3D"font-size:large"> <span style=3D"fo= nt-size:large">How do I do this? Please help.<br /> <br /> <span style=3D"font-size:large">Robert.<br /> <span style=3D"font-size:large">604-440-0860</span></span></sp= an></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br /> <div> </div> --<br /> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Go= ogle<br /> Groups "World Carfree Network" group.<br /> To post to this group, send email to <b>FastMail.FM WARNING: U= RL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled= . Original URL=3D'<u>javascript:</u>'. 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