Re: [ecotopia_ukraine] Re: Settling diffferences

Dear friends!

I'm agree with Victor, I think you must discuss the salaries and others 
problems between only (EYFA-Jsvier and Green Dossier  Tamara).

Natasha V.

Víctor Guillamón wrote:

> If it's an ongoing conflict between Eyfa and Green Dossier, what's 
> about to
> resolve it between Eyfa and Green Dossier???
> I think you must have some ways to resolve this economic and personal
> problems, not spreading it here. The first conflict resolution principle
> it's to resolve it in the correct place. And salary problems are too
> personal and delicate to spread to a list like this. I think this list 
> it's
> not the place were this kind of problems. If it's not so, please, take me
> off the list. I'm not interesed in problems I can not solve, nor in
> forwarded mails I have not information about context.
>
> On 12/8/03 12:52, "Jsvier Montellano" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi there!
> >
> > There is an ongoing conflict between EYFA and Green
> > Dossier about some salaries for organizators which
> > where not agreed upon beforehand.
> >
> > The conflict between Green Dossier and EYFA also
> > states that "any difference will be solved by
> > arbitration".
> >
> > Can there be space in Ecotopia for a conflict
> > resolution exercise?
> >
> > (below you find the emails, the most recent first)
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear EYFA people, dear Mariel!
> > I understand you are not experienced in managment and
> > financial issues. As well as in Ukrainian rules.
> >
> > The first thing I advice you to do - read the contract
> > which we signed.
> > (Do you have it?). Find, please, a point 4.1. about
> > financing. It is
> > very clear: the whole sum of the project 4493 EUR
> > should be transfered
> > to Green Dossier after signing the contract. You
> > transfered us 3000
> > EUR, so, the rest of money is 1493 EUR. Is this clear?
> > The second point which you should understand ad least:
> > our country is under
> > a special international watch on currency regulations.
> > There is no
> > possibilities to get another sum, only those written
> > in the contract.
> > Any financial changes in international agreements
> > automatically become
> > a subject of investigations of our tax police and bank
> > system, of
> > international financial watch. We may agree between us
> > about
> > reallocation of money from one line to other but have
> > no right to change a
> > whole sum. Is this clear?
> > About salaries. Yes, we agreed this point a half a
> > year ago. That's a
> > pity, you don't remember your decisions and don't want
> > to keep your
> > promisses.
> > I'm leaving for Sheshory 13th morning, so these
> > questions should be
> > solved during these two days. Remember: we need money
> > befor Ecotopia, not after
> > it!!!
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your help,
> > Tamara
> >
> > ******************************************
> > Charity Information Center "Green Dossier"
> >
> > Tel/fax: 380 44 227 6277
> > POB 201, Kiev-25, Ukraine, 01025
> > E-mail: [email protected]
> > http://www.dossier.kiev.ua/
> > ******************************************
> > WE ALL BELONG TO THE EARTH
> > ******************************************
> >
> >
> >
> > m> Dear Green Dossier,
> >
> > m> we were a bit shocked this morning after reading
> > your e-mail
> > m> because there must be some kind of
> > misunderstanding.
> >
> > m> Your discussion about paying organisers is out of
> > the budget we
> > m> agreed in our contract. In this contract, which we
> > both signed,
> > m> there is no money for organisers salaries. The
> > budget includes
> > m> money for logistics, travel reimbursement to the
> > venue and other
> > m> costs related to Ecotopia but never the wages of
> > people working in
> > m> Green Dossier or Eyfa. As we ourselves are paid
> > from our own
> > m> funds, you too should pay your people with your own
> > resources.
> >
> > m> Furthemore, there is no more money in the budget to
> > be
> > m> trasnsferred, so we don't know what you mean by
> > "the rest of the
> > m> money".
> >
> > m> We agreed on paying something to one person from
> > the national
> > m> Park, because we consider it fair enough, as they
> > are providing us
> > m> the venue and they will take care for many things.
> >
> > m> Alexander bagin's salary is also something unclear
> > for us, which
> > m> we need to discuss. Until now, we have not had much
> >
> > m> communication with him and we have not received any
> > budget of
> > m> costs from him. So we wonder what we should pay.
> > But in any
> > m> case, this money would also be taken from Ecotopia
> > budget, not
> > m> from Eyfa funds.
> >
> > m> We would like to explain that in the history of
> > Eyfa-Ecotopia, the
> > m> host organisation has never received money for
> > their own
> > m> employees, and that is something out of question.
> >
> > m> So you may understand now our surprise when we
> > received your e-
> > m> mail stating finances matters that have never been
> > discussed nor
> > m> mentioned.
> >
> > m> Please notice that we do not mean that you do not
> > deserve a
> > m> salary for your work, which we appreciate a lot.
> > You have all the
> > m> merit of this organisation but your salaries are
> > just not
> > m> responsability of Ecotopia budget.
> >
> > m> Best regards,
> > m> Eyfa Crew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > m> On 7 Aug 2003, at 18:38, Tamara Malkova wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Dear EYFA people!
> >>> There is several issues on financing.
> >>>
> >>> 1. We discussed here possible payment for the
> > organisers. Looks like we
> >>> need more finance for this. So, there were follows
> > Green Dossier people working for
> >>> Ecotopia:
> >>> Ira Rozmaritsa - worked for Ecotopia since
> > september 2002 till march
> >>> 2003 as a coordinator, was already paid 100 eur
> >>> Olga Mykhaylyuk paid 100 eur for preparations since
> > september 2002
> >>> till middle May 2003, is working now as well for
> > press events, all
> >>> information materials in Russian and Ukrainian,
> > prepares the festival
> >>> program, garbage actions, filming - on our mind
> > should be paid 200 eur
> >>> more.
> >>> Miroslava - the same information activities, should
> > be paid 150 eur
> >>> Tanya - prparing English reader (finding out all
> > materials from
> >>> Ukraine, a lot of logistics for reader, translation
> > into russian,
> >>> helped with some translation in e-mail - 100 eur
> >>> Anya - artist, pictures for reader, design of the
> > future press
> >>> conferences and actions in Ecotopia and after it -
> > 100 eur
> >>> Natasha - 2 months full time working on logistics
> > (applications,
> >>> transport, registration etc.), looking for
> > additional money or
> >>> technical support - 150 eur
> >>> Katya - 3 months full time working on logistics,
> > finance and
> >>> communication (including september work on
> > financial reporting),
> >>> looking for additional money or technical support
> > - 300
> >>> Tamara - coordination, communication, legal issues,
> > program - 250
> >>> Zoya (accountant) - 100
> >>> We didn't ask Alexandr Bagin about his paiment, it
> > was just agreed
> >>> that he will be paid for the camp organising, we
> > think it might be 150
> >>> eur, but we need to discuss with him; he will be on
> > contact since 9th
> >>> of August.
> >>>
> >>> We agreed that it is not possible to pay now the
> > whole sums for
> >>> anybody and decided to pay half and the other half
> > will be paid after
> >>> Ecotopia.
> >>>
> >>> 2. I'm leaving on 13th, so we should transfer all
> > money which we
> >>> should pay through bank account till 13th, I'll not
> > can do this from
> >>> Kosiv, and nobody can do this without me. We hope
> > to have bills from
> >>> Bagin, we didn't pay them yet, bills from water
> > company and maybe some
> >>> other food companies, we should pay for prining the
> > reader, spend some
> >>> money for the press conferences in 4 cities, some
> > money for petrol, a
> >>> lot of special travel documents. It
> >>> is really a lot to do with payments during these
> > several days. Our
> >>> accountant become crasy with this.
> >>>
> >>> 3. We still don't know how much money we will need
> > for arranging
> >>> internet connection, computers and videos in
> > Sheshory. Unfortunately,
> >>> we will know this only on the venue. So, I should
> > have some money with
> >>> me as well or arrange payments from Sheshory to
> > Kiev. A special item
> >>> is preparing for the food on Kosiv, we cannot wait
> > the participants
> >>> fee, we need to prepay a lot during the prepcamp.
> > The fact is we need the rest
> >>> of money before my leaving. Anyway we'll
> >>> need them in Ecotopia, not after, for sure. Could
> > you, please,
> >>> transfer the rest of money as soon as possible?
> >>>
> >>> I know you are not happy with this message, sorry,
> > that's life.
> >>> Tamara
> >>> ******************************************
> >>> Charity Information Center "Green Dossier"
> >>>
> >>> Tel/fax: 380 44 227 6277
> >>> POB 201, Kiev-25, Ukraine, 01025
> >>> E-mail: [email protected]
> >>> http://www.dossier.kiev.ua/
> >>> ******************************************
> >>> WE ALL BELONG TO THE EARTH
> >>> ******************************************
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
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