Fwd: [compost_tea] Assessment of Bacterial Diversity
Lawrence London <[email protected]>
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elaine Ingham [email protected] [compost_tea] < [email protected]> Date: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Assessment of Bacterial Diversity To: [email protected] If people aren't taking a handful of their previous good compost and adding that to their next compost pile, results from pile 1 and pile 2 will be very different, as the organisms could well be quite different. But that variability is reduced (note I did not say "gone") by adding the organisms from pile 1 into pile 2. And of course, with all piles getting the same inocula, the variability is reduced. Maintaining initial starting materials helps maintain similar biology as well, and managing temps in a similar way, turning at the same times, etc. There is of course the joy of changes in species dominance based on temp / moisture seasonality. But, what was dominant and highly active in May will still be in the pile in August, but now in a dormant stage most likely. So, diversity will not change when you assess presence, although a diversity measure that assesses species presence times number of individuals of each species will definately show a change. What if the diversity measure used is one where presence, activity and number of individuals is assessed? Yet a different value will be obtained. So, what is most important to know? Diversity indicates need to include that seasonal shifting in dominance and activity. It does no good to have all the species that need to be active in the spring, but then have none of the species that need to be active as temp/moisture/food resources shift into early summer conditions, mid-summer, late summer, or early fall mode. Crop production will not be adequate without them all. Elaine R. Ingham President, Soil Foodweb Inc. Soil Life Consultant Since I travel a great deal, so if I don't answer within 3 days, please send again. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [compost_tea] <[email protected]> To: compost_tea <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 8:13 am Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Assessment of Bacterial Diversity Hi Dr. Ingham, As always thank you for your generosity of sharing your knowledge, experience and time. The answer seems to me to lie in the diversity of the microbiology but the benefits are in dialing into specific group of microbes in the right ratios at the right time. I would think a tea laden with the correct nematodes might be the answer to certain grubs, bacteria and fungi grown specifically to target plant pathogens can't be far off. Could this be the reason the efficacy of compost teas are all over the place when you read some of the research? It would make sense that the individual inputs of the compost in different proportions would make teas different in ratios of microbes and thus their abilities. This is beyond my ability and scope as a front yard gardener/bucketeer but I am still going to see if meal worms really eat Styrofoam and if I find some diseased plants running their debris through a worm bin this year and then if possibl e have the vermicompost analyzed. 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