Re: I Am Homophobic

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From: "Dru Oja Jay" <[email protected]>
To: <bonobos-4GNy1lrxftmrG/[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Bonobos] I Am Homophobic


> Ben wrote:
>
> >i would say, yes being presumptuous is
> >bad, that we should be mindful and aware of our enviroment, but your
> >comment in a way presumes that heterosuxuals being themselves is wrong.
>
> If "being themselves" means granting privileges to other other
> heterosexuals and keeping those same privileges from non-heterosexuals,
> then of course it's wrong... unless you believe that there is something
> inherent in heterosexuality that merits those privileges.

If the usual assertions of heterosexuality, that are made among males, can
pass for "heteosexuals being themselves", then it is wrong.
It would be very foolish to deny that whenever previously unaquainted
males get together, whatever age, those assertions take place.
That cannot be explained by any other thing but homophoby, underlining
phoby twice.

> >as a socialist the
> >majority is my concern, not any minority regardless of its nature.  if a
> >minority is your concern then become a republican since the concerns of
> >a/the  minority is their concern.
>
> You seem to be confusing an extremely powerful minority with an oppressed
> one. Do you not think there is a difference between the two? Your brand
> of socialism may be primarily concerned with the majority, but does this
> concern mean that minorities must necessarily oppressed for the minor
> comforts of the majority?

I see socialism as a concern for the best interest of mankind in its
entirity.
Historically socialism is related mostly to the struggle of the oppressed
classes.
These are often minorities, such as indigenous populations in the Americas.

Naturally, if we take homosexuals together, it is a social class; albeit not
defined by economic terms, but by sexual practices.
If we are capable of observing the discrimination that Dru talks about,
then homosexuals are an oppressed class.

I think concern for the majority is what Bushes have. That is, they seek, to
satisfy the majority of the population, which is a majority that sits in
front of the
TV and eats everything they pass on.

> Dru Jay    ||    http://www.dru.ca    ||    dru-4GNy1lrxftmrG/[email protected]

Congratulations for pursuing deeply your commitement to perfect your
thinking into a just one.

Miguel