[L-I] RE: Leninist-International Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1

Thanks, I will try to incorporate those quotes.



In solidarity,

Stephen Von Sychowski

The Youth are the Future. The Future is Socialism!

http://ycl.communist-party.ca/
http://www.communist-party.ca/





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>    1. RE: On Orthodox Marxism. (Paul Bjarnason)
>    2. Re: On Orthodox Marxism. (vkz // root)
>    3. Re: On Orthodox Marxism. (Martin Schreader)
>    4. OUR RIVER OF THANKS -- AND A SPECIAL SITE TO VISIT (Hunter Gray)
>    5. Genuine virus situation and a kind of identity theft (Hunter Gray)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:49:38 -0800
>From: "Paul Bjarnason" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [L-I] On Orthodox Marxism.
>To: "'An open, militant non-sectarian mailing list'"
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>Stephen:
>
>	Brief and to the point.  My only criticism is the
>use of American dictionaries.
>
>PBj
>virus checked AVG &
>Norton Live
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of YCL- Comrade Stephen -YCL
>Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:26 AM
>Subject: [L-I] On Orthodox Marxism.
>
>
>Comrades,
>
>Here is an article I recently wrote, because I was disturbed
>by how often I
>was hearing the term 'Orthodox Marxism'. Another one is
>coming on democratic
>centralism but it needs some fixing yet. What do people
>think?
>
>In solidarity,
>
>Stephen Von Sychowski
>
>The Youth are the Future. The Future is Socialism!
>
>http://ycl.communist-party.ca/
>http://www.communist-party.ca/
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:49:01 -0600
>From: "vkz // root" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [L-I] On Orthodox Marxism.
>To: "An open, militant non-sectarian mailing list"
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>if you wanted some quotations for the piece it might be worth including
>engel's criticism of british socialists who wanted to turn marxist theory
>into a "rigid orthodixy, which the workers are not to reach as a result of
>class consciousness, but which, like an article of faith, is to be forced
>down their throats at once and without development." (karl marx and
>frederick engels, selected correspondence)
>
>another good quote from Lenin himself:
>
>"Russia, achieved Marxism -- the only correct revolutionary theory --
>through the agony she experienced in the course of half a century of
>unparalleled torment and sacrifice, of unparalleled revolutionary heroism,
>incredible energy, devoted searching, study, practical trial,
>disappointment, verification, and comparison with European experience."
>(V.I. Lenin, Collected Works)
>
>between the two quotes i think it is easy enough to demonstrate that anyone
>who stays actually true to Marx, Engels and Lenin understands that marxism
>is a living, breathing science that cannot be learnt by rote and must be
>developed through active study, analysis and practical application.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "YCL- Comrade Stephen -YCL" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:25 PM
>Subject: [L-I] On Orthodox Marxism.
>
>
> > Comrades,
> >
> > Here is an article I recently wrote, because I was disturbed by how 
>often
>I
> > was hearing the term 'Orthodox Marxism'. Another one is coming on
>democratic
> > centralism but it needs some fixing yet. What do people think?
> >
> > In solidarity,
> >
> > Stephen Von Sychowski
> >
> > The Youth are the Future. The Future is Socialism!
> >
> > http://ycl.communist-party.ca/
> > http://www.communist-party.ca/
> >
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:43:13 -0500
>From: "Martin Schreader" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [L-I] On Orthodox Marxism.
>To: "An open, militant non-sectarian mailing list"
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>Message-ID: <016601c3ff93$25ccf3d0$e1aafea9@lisaf5g80z6cve>
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>Not a bad little piece, comrade. Perhaps a good thing to do would be to
>compare today's "orthodox Marxists" to the "Pure Socialists" Marx and 
>Engels
>wrote about in the Communist Manifesto. I find there are a lot of
>similarities between the two.
>
>Comradely;
>Martin
>
>
>YCL- Comrade Stephen -YCL wrote:
> >
> > Comrades,
> >
> > Here is an article I recently wrote, because I was disturbed by how 
>often
>I
> > was hearing the term 'Orthodox Marxism'. Another one is coming on
>democratic
> > centralism but it needs some fixing yet. What do people think?
> >
> > In solidarity,
> >
> > Stephen Von Sychowski
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:56:10 -0700
>From: "Hunter Gray" <[email protected]>
>Subject: [L-I] OUR RIVER OF THANKS -- AND A SPECIAL SITE TO VISIT
>To: "Hunter Gray" <[email protected]>
>Message-ID: <001701c3ff9d$6a0e0d40$dfdbbbcd@intel>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>NOTE BY HUNTER BEAR:
>
>I have just been the recipient of great tribute.  Please visit this site:
>http://at7.us/hunterbear/
>
>This message is going to all Lists with which I am affiliated.  It's also
>going to a great many individuals -- many of whom have written fine things
>and others who have done other solid things and those who have thought fine
>thoughts.  In addition, my son, John, will be forwarding this to the Four
>Directions.
>
>I speak here on behalf of our entire family -- and our many, many friends:
>old and new.
>
>I am genuinely Overcome, truly Overwhelmed.  Totally.
>
>It is like looking out a familiar window -- for one more of countless 
>times.
>
>And expecting to see the same mountains and trees, snow and sage and grass.
>
>And then -- genuine and stunning surprise -- viewing a large new Mountain, 
>a
>whole new one, a vast and shining Panorama.
>
>And, with all of that,  a whole fresh array of glittering Crags and Canyons
>and Ridges -- and Perspectives from and of the Sun and the Stars and the
>Wind.
>
>There are now many, many places to explore, and nuggets far richer than any
>gold to receive and to hold and to treasure -- in this emergent masterpiece
>of organizational complexity and intricacy and rich water.
>
>In Solidarity
>
>Nialetch/Onen
>
>HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR]   Again, see
>http://at7.us/hunterbear/
>
>Micmac/ St Francis Abenaki/St Regis Mohawk
>In the mountains of Eastern Idaho
>www.hunterbear.org
>
>When you cut to the bone  and cut away the college degrees, academic and
>other titles, published books and articles, ours is essentially a working
>class and Indian family.  We consistently join unions  -- and we always
>support them with the greatest vigor.
>
>It's critical to always keep fighting -- and to always remember that, if 
>one
>lives with grace, he/she should be prepared to die with grace.
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:03:49 -0700
>From: "Hunter Gray" <[email protected]>
>Subject: [L-I] Genuine virus situation and a kind of identity theft
>To: "Red Youth" <[email protected]>,	"Marxism Discussion"
>	<[email protected]>,	"SNCC" <[email protected]>
>Message-ID: <008601c3ffb7$8f5e0ef0$9389bb3f@intel>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Note by Hunter Bear:
>
>I apologize for taking the time and space of people -- but this may well be
>useful to others.
>
>This is a one-time post, going to all lists with which I am affiliated.
>Someone, possibly in California, is using my email address to send out a
>porno message named "Price List."  Susan Glisson, who very capably manages
>our SNCC list, has asked  Mr James True for advice.  Attached is his
>response -- but before we get there, pleased be assured that I send no
>attachments -- and certainly no viruses.  I open no attachments unless I am
>certain of the Sender.  The several lists that I own and manage accept no
>attachments:  Redbadbear, Marxist, SocUnity, and Lupus.  I, myself, have 
>top
>of the line Norton protection of every kind [including re outgoing e-mail].
>
>This, now, from Mr True:
>
>Susan, and you may post this if you think any others are interested,
>
>A little forensics: Information, though possibly only a red herring, can be
>gleaned by looking at the full message header of the "pricelist" message
>sent with the attached file to the SNCC listserv. For any received message,
>users can view the complete header of a message by using a button within a
>received email, possibly labeled "blah, blah, blah" or "full header." Among
>other things, this information shows the servers the message passed thru to
>get to the recipient.
>
>In the case of the "pricelist" message,  the header was:
>______________
>
>Status:  U
>Return-Path: <[email protected]>
>Received: from armadillo.honors.olemiss.edu ([130.74.178.22])
>         by timothy.mail.atl.earthlink.net (EarthLink SMTP Server) with 
>ESMTP
>id 1aXC6KZq3Nl3pw0
>         Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:20:33 -0500 (EST)
>Received: from armadillo.honors.olemiss.edu (IDENT:mailman@localhost
>[127.0.0.1])
>         by armadillo.honors.olemiss.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id
>TAA04682;
>         Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:20:19 -0600
>Received: from jordan (rrcs-central-24-123-68-37.biz.rr.com [24.123.68.37])
>         by armadillo.honors.olemiss.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id 
>TAA04631
>         for <[email protected]>; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:18:47 -0600
>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>         boundary="--------epovvtlteofdsitqpjts"
>Subject: [SNCC] Pricelist
>...
>___________
>
>The first server IP address indicated in the message chain, the bottom one
>("jordan"), is for a server at the IP (numerical) address 24.123.68.37.
>Searching for information about this address at http://www.arin.net/whois/
>will yield the following info (below). This shows only the passing server
>the message came thru. However, just as Hunter Gray says, this is not from
>him as the servers he typically uses are at addresses like 205.187.219.165,
>from ICG NetAhead, Inc. in Colorado. If you had the original message from
>whomever which came into the SNCC server, by looking at the full header of
>that message it may be possible to track the virus sender back near to its
>origin. Probably not worth the effort, as the nature of these viruses is to
>spoof an address and send itself out, infect a new machine and repeat. 
>Users
>of the infected machine are not generally aware of anything going 
>on--creepo
>spammers, virus senders, and others, now regularly take over (unprotected)
>machines and use them as servers, for spam, porn, viruses, etc. Firewalls
>and antivirus programs are basic necessary protections users must have and
>keep up to date; using anti-spyware/adware programs to check for such
>"scumware" regularly is also necessary. I am relieved to see that you are
>going to inhibit attachments finally. Now if you can only do something 
>about
>the senders who send 800KB e-mails to everyone.
>
>Jim
>
>Here is the ARIN info on the server from which the offending message
>ostensibly came. As is noted this server covers folks in a lot of states.
>Could be anyone. I did not find another message in my SNCC archived email
>that used this server, so it may be someone's machine who knows H. Gray 
>from
>another of his lists and is exploiting his e-mail identity.
>
>
>OrgName:    Road Runner-Commercial
>OrgID:      RCWE
>Address:    13241 Woodland Park Road
>City:       Herndon
>StateProv:  VA
>PostalCode: 20171
>Country:    US
>Comment:    Allocations for this OrgID serve Road Runner commercial
>customers out of the Honolulu, HI, Kansas City, KS, Orange, CA and San
>Diego, CA RDCs.
>
>
>
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>
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