Re: Hungary repudiates fascism, is India Next?

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Hello Marv:
Here a return to an older theme we have a nuanced-ly differing view. You sa=
y:
" The combined effects of capital mobility and automation decimated the ind=
ustrial unions. The same now seems to threaten the public sector unions, wi=
th their high percentage of workers with at least some post-secondary educa=
tion. Protest activity has largely moved from concentrated action at the po=
int of production to much less threatening sporadic demonstrations in publi=
c spaces. "

The first part is correct ( =E2=80=9C The combined effects of capital mobil=
ity and automation decimated the industrial unions. =E2=80=9C ) but needs s=
upplementing. Here the old CPM and CPI unions essentially were told to dise=
ngage by thier own political eladers and the parties they were tied to. In =
many places such as West Bengal there were major divides then from the rank=
 and file - who duly went on to occupy various sites.

The second part needs much more amendment (" T he same now seems to threate=
n the public sector unions, with their high percentage of workers with at l=
east some post-secondary education =E2=80=9D).
For these are not those who have come out. Those who have come out are many=
 working ins small tech firms; and the overwhelming majority appear ot be s=
tudents who are hoping to enter such fields as computer high-tech; - amongs=
t others. All of these student layers who came out were traditionally virtu=
ally completely unorganised as far as I am aware. (Except in the high point=
s of the "Jai Hind=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CQuit India=E2=80=9D movements of the 1=
930=E2=80=99s-40=E2=80=99s).

The farmers of Punjab that blocked the streets and all markets in Haryana w=
ere organised in both unions, temples and communities. Moreover - I think (=
I need more data on this to verify ) that many of them were relatively well=
 off farmers and owned a variable amount of land.

So at many levels this was historically quite different. The leading member=
 is a also a dalit. Very different again.
I am seeing news that clear support of Muslim comrades who were specificall=
y targeted by police *after* the acceptance by the BJP of the original dema=
nds.

H


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<div>Hello Marv:<br />Here a return to an older theme we have a nuanced-ly =
differing view. You say:<br />"<span style=3D"caret-color: #333333; color: =
#333333; font-family: system-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', 'Not=
o Sans', 'Liberation Sans', Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe =
UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: 16px; font-sty=
le: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: no=
rmal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none=
; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-wi=
dth: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; display: inline=
 !important; float: none;">The combined effects of capital mobility and aut=
omation decimated the industrial unions. The same now seems to threaten the=
 public sector unions, with their high percentage of workers with at least =
some post-secondary education. Protest activity has largely moved from conc=
entrated action at the point of production to much less threatening sporadi=
c demonstrations in public spaces. "</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"caret-color: #333333; color: #333333; font-family: syst=
em-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans'=
, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbo=
l', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-c=
aps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wid=
ows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color=
: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;"=
><br />The first part is correct (<em>&ldquo;<span style=3D"caret-color: #3=
33333; color: #333333; font-family: system-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helveti=
ca Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans', Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color E=
moji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: =
16px; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; whit=
e-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0=
px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:=
 inline !important;">The combined effects of capital mobility and automatio=
n decimated the industrial unions.</span>&ldquo;</em>) but needs supplement=
ing. Here the old CPM and CPI unions essentially were told to disengage by =
thier own political eladers and the parties they were tied to. In many plac=
es such as West Bengal there were major divides then from the rank and file=
 - who duly went on to occupy various sites.&nbsp;</span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"caret-color: #333333; color: #333333; font-family: syst=
em-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans'=
, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbo=
l', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-c=
aps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wid=
ows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color=
: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;"=
>The second part needs much more amendment ("<span style=3D"caret-color: #3=
33333; color: #333333; font-family: system-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helveti=
ca Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans', Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color E=
moji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: =
16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; lett=
er-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-t=
ransform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-=
text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; d=
isplay: inline !important; float: none;">T<em>he same now seems to threaten=
 the public sector unions, with their high percentage of workers with at le=
ast some post-secondary education</em>&rdquo;).</span></span></div>
<div><span style=3D"caret-color: #333333; color: #333333; font-family: syst=
em-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans'=
, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbo=
l', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-c=
aps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wid=
ows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color=
: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;"=
>For these are not those who have come out. Those who have come out are man=
y working ins small tech firms; and the overwhelming majority appear ot be =
students who are hoping to enter such fields as computer high-tech; - among=
st others. All of these student layers who came out were traditionally virt=
ually completely unorganised as far as I am aware. (Except in the high poin=
ts of the "Jai Hind&rdquo; &ldquo;Quit India&rdquo; movements of the 1930&r=
squo;s-40&rsquo;s).</span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"caret-color: #333333; color: #333333; font-family: syst=
em-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans'=
, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbo=
l', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-c=
aps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wid=
ows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color=
: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;"=
>The farmers of Punjab that blocked the streets and all markets in Haryana =
were organised in both unions, temples and communities. Moreover - I think =
<em>(I need more data on this to verify</em>) that many of them were relati=
vely well off farmers and owned a variable amount of land. &nbsp;</span></d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"caret-color: #333333; color: #333333; font-family: syst=
em-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans'=
, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbo=
l', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-c=
aps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wid=
ows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color=
: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;"=
>So at many levels this was historically quite different. The leading membe=
r is a also a dalit. Very different again.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"caret-color: #333333; color: #333333; font-family: syst=
em-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans'=
, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbo=
l', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-c=
aps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wid=
ows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color=
: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;"=
>I am seeing news that clear support of Muslim comrades who were specifical=
ly targeted by police *after* the acceptance by the BJP of the original dem=
ands.&nbsp;</span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"caret-color: #333333; color: #333333; font-family: syst=
em-ui, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', 'Noto Sans', 'Liberation Sans'=
, Arial, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbo=
l', 'Noto Color Emoji'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-c=
aps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; wid=
ows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color=
: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float: none;"=
>H</span></div>
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