Re: [change-links] "Matewan"
"John A Imani via groups.io" <[email protected]> Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:16:24 -0700
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--0000000000007fe2250658146d1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good comrade, It's sad to say but I had never heard of these incidents. As a piece of filmmaking, IMO, it is first rate. But even more than that, the history detailed itself gives the possibility of cross-racial, cross-national and, even, cross-political cooperation, esp as regards local cop Hatfield's defense of the miners against the intrusions of big business. Food for thought. No. I am not advocating cooperation with the police. I am simply bringing up the point that policing forces, esp the state's national guards, contain within themselves contradictions that the greater the oppression the more likely it is that cracks will develop within the 'blue lines'. That oppression will certainly get more so than less until we, as a people, rise up and tell the system to go fck itself and seize control of the state machinery with the express purpose of diminishing, withering, abolishing its purpose and its existence. "Matewan" continues on TCM On Demand until August 8. JAI On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 11:00=E2=80=AFPM henry duke <[email protected]= > wrote: > Oh my gosh, yes, John, this movie is so excellent and uplifting ! > Best, > henry > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] < > [email protected]> on behalf of John A Imani < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2026 12:42 PM > *To:* dopex-losangeles <[email protected]>; change-links = < > [email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [change-links] "Matewan" > > Comrades, > > Saw a really interesting (and good) movie on TCM On Demand (available > until August 6) . "Matewan" (1987) > <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3Dmatewan+massacr= e>. > Appalachian coal miners in the 1920s. Bout how black and Italian "dagos" > joined with 'dirt-poor' W Virginian white folks to fight for a union. > > "Matewan" was written and directed by John Sayles > <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3DJohn+Sayles> (w= ho > also was the main producer). Interesting role as 'Few Clothes' is James > Earl Jones. > <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3DJames+Earl+Jone= s.> > > The movie's like "Harlan County, USA" > <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3D%22Harlan+Count= y%2C+USA%22> > that took place and was made in the 1970s. But while "Harlan" was more > documentary-like, this one is dramatic but still showing sht as it was. > What was really interesting to me was how the local law enforcement (esp > in the person on one Sid Hatfield > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Hatfield>) sided with the miners > against the thugs of the Baldwin=E2=80=93Felts guards > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin%E2%80%93Felts_Detective_Agency>, > hired by the mine owners, The Stone Mountain Coal Company. Hatfield (yes= , > a descendant of the legendary Hatfield/McCoy feud) > <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3D+Hatfield%2FMcC= oy+feud%29> > was murdered by the Baldwin-Felts gang in 1921. > Battle of Matewan > Wikipedia > https://en.wikipedia.org =E2=80=BA wiki =E2=80=BA Battle_of_Matewan > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan> > > Although the movie is a dramatization it is filled with personages and > issues based on history. > > This is the AI conspectus: > > The Battle of Matewan (also known as the *Matewan Massacre*) was a > shootout in the town of Matewan in Mingo County and the Pocahontas > Coalfield mining ... > > AI Overview > > People also ask: > > Is Matewan a true story? > > Yes, Matewan <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093509/> is based on a real > event, specifically the historic Matewan Massacre (or Battle of Matewan) > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan> that happened on May > 19, 1920, in West Virginia. The 1987 film uses real historical figures li= ke > police chief Sid Hatfield and Mayor Cabell Testerman, but it also adds so= me > fictional characters and subplots to tell the story. > Real Historical Facts > > - *The Shootout:* A deadly gunfight erupted on May 19, 1920, between > local town defenders and private agents from the Baldwin-Felts Detecti= ve > Agency. > - *The Cause:* The detectives were evicting striking coal mining > families from company-owned houses. > - *The Casualties:* Ten men died in the short fight, including *seven > detective agents (JAI: E.A.)*, two miners, and Mayor Cabell Testerman > . > > > - *Real People:* Figures like Police Chief Sid Hatfield and Mayor > Testerman were real-life leaders who opposed the detective agency. > > > JAI > -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#42733): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/42733 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/120566275/6024700 -=3D-=3D- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=3D-=3D- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/10173629/6024700/1441833971= /xyzzy [[email protected]] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --0000000000007fe2250658146d1f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_defa= ult" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Good comrade,<= /div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;fo= nt-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:= tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">It's sad to say but I had never hear= d of these incidents.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil= y:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"= style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">As a piece of film= making, IMO, it is first rate.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default= " style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:smal= l">But even more than that, the history detailed itself gives the possibili= ty of cross-racial, cross-national and, even, cross-political cooperation, = esp as regards local cop Hatfield's defense of the miners against the i= ntrusions of big business.=C2=A0 Food for thought.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:smal= l"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-= serif;font-size:small">No.=C2=A0 I am not advocating cooperation with the p= olice.=C2=A0 I am simply bringing up the point that policing forces, esp th= e state's national guards, contain within themselves contradictions tha= t the greater the oppression the more likely it is that cracks will develop= within=C2=A0the 'blue lines'.=C2=A0 That oppression will certainly= get more so than less until we, as a people, rise up and tell the system t= o go fck itself and seize control of the state machinery with the express p= urpose of diminishing, withering, abolishing its purpose and its existence.= </div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;f= ont-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family= :tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">"Matewan" continues on TCM On= Demand until August 8.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam= ily:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul= t" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">JAI</div></div><= br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat,= Aug 1, 2026 at 11:00=E2=80=AFPM henry duke <<a href=3D"mailto:henryduke= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br= ></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;= border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali= bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Oh my gosh, yes, John, this movie is so excellent and uplifting !</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali= bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Best,</div> <div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali= bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> henry</div> <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535appendonsend"></div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"= ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#= 000000"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= t" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> <<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">change-= [email protected]</a>> on behalf of John A Imani <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">change-links@l= ists.riseup.net</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2026 12:42 PM<br> <b>To:</b> dopex-losangeles <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= seup.net" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>; chan= ge-links <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_bl= ank">[email protected]</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:marxmail@grou= ps.io" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:marxm= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> [change-links] "Matewan"</font> <div>=C2=A0</div> </div> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"> Comrades,</div> <div style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"> <br> <div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:sm= all">Saw a really interesting (and good) movie on=C2=A0</span>TCM<span styl= e=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"> On Demand (available until August 6)=C2=A0</span>.=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://www.google.com/sear= ch?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3Dmatewan+massacre" target=3D"_blank"> "Matewan" (1987)</a>.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Appalachian coal miners in the = 1920s.=C2=A0 Bout how black and Italian <span style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"> "</span>dagos<span style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:sm= all">"</span> joined with 'dirt-poor' W Virginian white folks = to fight for a union.</div> <div dir=3D"auto"><br> </div> <div>"Matewan" was written and directed by <a href=3D"https://www= .google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3DJohn+Sayles" target=3D"_b= lank"> John Sayles</a> (who also was the main producer).=C2=A0 Interesting role as= 'Few Clothes' is <a href=3D"https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3DJam= es+Earl+Jones." target=3D"_blank"> James Earl Jones.</a>=C2=A0</div> <div dir=3D"auto"><br> </div> <div dir=3D"auto">The movie's like <a href=3D"https://www.google.com/se= arch?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3D%22Harlan+County%2C+USA%22" target=3D"_= blank"> "Harlan County, USA"</a> that took place and was made in the 1970= s.=C2=A0 But while "Harlan" was more documentary-like, this one i= s dramatic but still showing sht as it was.=C2=A0 =C2=A0What was really int= eresting to me was how the local law enforcement (esp in the=C2=A0 person on one=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Hatfield" t= arget=3D"_blank">Sid Hatfield</a>) sided with the miners against the thugs = of the <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin%E2%80%93Felts_Detective_Ag= ency" target=3D"_blank">Baldwin=E2=80=93Felts guards</a>, hired by the mine= owners, The Stone Mountain Coal Company.=C2=A0 Hatfield (yes, a descendant= of the legendary<a href=3D"https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-= b-1-d&q=3D+Hatfield%2FMcCoy+feud%29" target=3D"_blank"> Hatfield/McCoy feud)</a>=C2=A0 was murdered by the Baldwin-Felts gang in 1= 921.</div> <div dir=3D"auto"><span><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_= Matewan" target=3D"_blank"> <h3 id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-_wp9rao-OBtrPkP= IPoMStmQo_62"> Battle of Matewan</h3> <div> <div><span aria-hidden=3D"true"><span></span></span> <div> <div><span>Wikipedia</span></div> <div><cite role=3D"text">https://en.wikipedia.org<span role=3D"text"> =E2= =80=BA wiki =E2=80=BA Battle_of_Matewan</span></cite></div> </div> </div> </div> </a></span></div> <div dir=3D"auto"><br> </div> <div>Although 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</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> </div> <div> <div> <div lang=3D"en" style=3D"max-width:100%;width:inherit"> <div> <div> <div> <span>The Battle of Matewan (also known as the <i>Matewan Massacre</i>) was= a shootout in the town of Matewan in Mingo County and the Pocahontas Coalf= ield mining=C2=A0...</span></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div><span id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-fld_wp9r= ao-OBtrPkPIPoMStmQo_1"></span></div> <div> <div> <div> <div><span></span> <div> <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-_wp9rao-OBtrPk= PIPoMStmQo_113"> <div> <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-wp9rao-OBtrPkP= IPoMStmQo__63"> <div> <div> <div> <div role=3D"button"> <div><span><span><br> </span></span></div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-_wp9rao-OBtrPk= PIPoMStmQo_79" style=3D"display:block;opacity:inherit"> <div style=3D"opacity:inherit"> <div> <div 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</div> </div> </div> </div> <br> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-atritem-_lKFra= s2sCuulkPIP4reU6QQ_5"> <div aria-label=3D"About this result" role=3D"button"> <span style=3D"height:18px;line-height:18px;width:18px"></span></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div> <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-lKFras2sCuulkP= IP4reU6QQ__2"> <div> <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-_lKFras2sCuulk= PIP4reU6QQ_1"> <div> <div> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div><span>Yes, </span><span><a rel=3D"noopener" href=3D"https://www.imdb.c= om/title/tt0093509/" aria-label=3D"Matewan. Link preview. Site: IMDb. Title= : Matewan (1987) - IMDb. URL: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093509/." targe= t=3D"_blank">Matewan</a></span> is based on a real event, specifically the historic<a href=3D"https://en.w= ikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan" target=3D"_blank"> Matewan Massacre (o= r Battle of Matewan)</a> that happened on May 19, 1920, in West Virginia. T= he 1987 film uses real historical figures like police chief Sid Hatfield and Mayor Cabell Testerman, but it also adds some ficti= onal characters and subplots to tell the story.<span><span><span aria-hidde= n=3D"true">=C2=A0</span></span></span></div> <div role=3D"heading">Real Historical Facts</div> <ul> <div> <li><span><b>The Shootout:</b> A deadly gunfight erupted on May 19, 1920, b= etween local town defenders and private agents from the Baldwin-Felts Detec= tive Agency.</span></li></div> <div> <li><span><b>The Cause:</b> The detectives were evicting striking coal mini= ng families from company-owned houses.</span></li></div> <div> <li><span><b>The Casualties:</b> Ten men died in the short fight, including= </span>=C2=A0<span><b>seven detective agents<span class=3D"gmail_default" s= tyle=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"> (JAI: E.A.)</span><= /b>, two miners, and Mayor Cabell Testerman <div id=3D"m_7062858103259596381m_-939826602433242535x_gmail-sdh_lKFraoaHDc= 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