Re: Trump organizing legal version of January 6th

"Marv Gandall via groups.io" <[email protected]> Mon, 03 Aug 2026 09:06:53 -0700
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Thanks, Tony.=C2=A0 Too bad we weren't sitting down over coffee where we co=
uld discuss at greater length our differences and determine more precisely =
whether they are nuances or represent two quite different views of how to f=
ight the Trump administration. My impression is that they wouldn't much aff=
ect practice, except insofar as you might rally opposition against Trump's =
personal corruption while I would focus on the threat his administration po=
sed to the historic hard-won democratic rights and social gains of the US's=
 diverse working class.

As to Bonapartism as precursor to fascism, you draw a sharp contrast betwee=
n Louis Napoleon's repressive measures and Nazi Germany.=C2=A0 I agree the =
Nazis were a particularly vicious form of race-based fascism which should b=
e distinguished from his regime. A more exact parallel would be the "milder=
" outright fascist or conservative authoritarian regimes of Mussolini, Fran=
co Salazar, Horthy etc. where the dictator had powers Trump *can only dream=
 of* - among other things, abolition of legislative and judicial oversight =
and the rotating two party governing system; banning of independent trade u=
nions, political parties, and media; imprisonment, exile, or worse of Commu=
nist and other left-wing militants; and subordination of the bourgeoisie to=
 the dictates of state policy rather than market forces.

Wouldn't you agree that others now have a pretty good idea of where each of=
 us stands?


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<div>Thanks, Tony.&nbsp; Too bad we weren't sitting down over coffee where =
we could discuss at greater length our differences and determine more preci=
sely whether they are nuances or represent two quite different views of how=
 to fight the Trump administration. My impression is that they wouldn't muc=
h affect practice, except insofar as you might rally opposition against Tru=
mp's personal corruption while I would focus on the threat his administrati=
on posed to the historic hard-won democratic rights and social gains of the=
 US's diverse working class.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>As to Bonapartism as precursor to fascism, you draw a sharp contrast b=
etween Louis Napoleon's repressive measures and Nazi Germany.&nbsp; I agree=
 the Nazis were a particularly vicious form of race-based fascism which sho=
uld be distinguished from his regime. A more exact parallel would be the "m=
ilder" outright fascist or conservative authoritarian regimes of Mussolini,=
 Franco Salazar, Horthy etc. where the dictator had powers Trump <em><stron=
g>can only dream of</strong> </em>- among other things, abolition of legisl=
ative and judicial oversight and the rotating two party governing system; b=
anning of independent trade unions, political parties, and media; imprisonm=
ent, exile, or worse of Communist and other left-wing militants; and subord=
ination of the bourgeoisie to the dictates of state policy rather than mark=
et forces.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Wouldn't you agree that others now have a pretty good idea of where ea=
ch of us stands?</div>


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