Re: Profit and Value, was: Re(2): [ox-en] extrinsic motivation = coercion

I vote 'no' for prior 'investor/purchasers' laying claims on new  
profits/rents.

What then?



On May 7, 2009, at 18:44, Patrick Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:35 AM, marc fawzi <[email protected]>  
> wrote:
>> If there is no profit margin,
>
>
> Please read what I have written more carefully.
>
>
> We *SHOULD* charge price above cost.  There *SHOULD* be a profit  
> 'margin'.
>
> The only question is *WHO* should receive ownership of that  
> investment.
>
> Should it become the property of the current owners - causing capital
> to be further accumulated into the hands of the privileged?
>
> Or should it be the property of the person who just paid it = the  
> consumer?
>
>
>> then how would the consumer-owned producing entity get the material
>> resources they need to invest in higher production efficiencies or  
>> new
>> goods/services?
>
> Yes, I agree, profit should be collected, and should be "ploughed
> into" the same organization.
>
> We *should* charge profit against anyone needing to buy goods
> (consumers who do not yet have sufficient ownership to 'protect'
> themselves from profit), but those funds (that the consumer just paid)
> should be *HIS* property ownership (after a 'vesting' period).
>
> This turns profit into a sort of semi-coerced investment.
>
>>
>> There is a cost to everything, as you agree, so how would they afford
>> those resources which they need to attain higher production
>> efficiencies, be them new production machinery or whatever production
>> resource.
>
> Again, let's charge profit.  And, as you say, let's reinvest it into
> further growth.
>
> It is the traditional claim that the *current* owners should also gain
> ownership of those new investments that I question.
>
>
>> If they only cover the cost of production, how do they cover the cost
>> of efficiency improvement or investing in new goods/services?
>>
>
> By charging profit (price above cost), but treating that growth as an
> investment from the consumer who paid it - so that growth occurs
> without being centralized.
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