Re: Fwd: [ox-en] Talk on "Social economy or peer production? - On the relationship of

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Hey all!

Just to express myself and share with you, I think the definitions Franz
showed us are really interesting and clarifing! However, I'd like to say a
word about the solidarity economy definition. Personally, I think it's a
dangerous illusion to think there is only one transformative concept.

In one hand, as Andreas said, its possible (and I would say, necessary) to
cooperate with organizations and institutions that maybe from social economy
or even social business. People who do social business are not the "bad
guys" and we are not the "good guys" as well.

In the other hand, we must see that all of these proceses are the results of
a historical and social condition and are limited by these conditions. That
means its not a model that will be reveled for us by a genius mind. In
Brazil and France, for instance, there are big differences not only in the
context, but also in the concept.

So, in my point of view, the solidarity economy has a huge potencial because
it points to a political project (in which I believe and try to work for),
that can only be developed if there are mecanisms of participation and
collective taking of decisions, in a large sense, not only in restricted and
isolate organizations or communities - once more I agree with Andreas by the
necessity of production of commons, although its not still so clear to me
when we get out of the informatic world.

thats all for now!
Good for you,
Jonas


On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Andreas Exner <[email protected]>wrote:

>  Hi Stefan, hi all
>
>  Thank you Franz, for your approach to defining social economy, social
> businesses and solidarity economy.
>
>  Actually, as far as I got to know, in France no clear and/or unambigous *
> distinction* between social and solidarity economy has been drawn.
>
>  Personally, I also think, that social economy has only a very limited
> potential since most of the time, people understand former state-apparatuses
> in the field of social welfare - no privatized (being non-profit or profit)
> - as "social eonomy".
>
>  Social businesses are of course a neoliberal approach - however, I guess
> one can cooperate with some of them in a limited way.
>
>  Solidarity economy on the other hand is of course the most promising
> approach of all I know. However, I think, that it's potentials only come
> really true, if it starts to produce commons.
>
>  A wonderful example of such a combination (of many other possible ones)
> is Open Source Ecology (which you, Stefan, will know):
>
>  *http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=Main_Page*<http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=Main_Page>
>
>  regards, Andreas
>
>
>  > Hi Stefan,
> >
> > I forward your letter to Andreas Exner and others heavily involved in
> > the Solidarity Economy.
> >
> > We founded a group SOLCOM - Solidarity and the Commons - to deal with
> > exactly that subject.
> >
> > You give a lot of definitions on your wiki,
> >
> > http://en.wiki.oekonux.org/StefanMerten/SocialEconomyOrPeerProduction
> >
> > so we should read and
> > comment that, and hopefully support you in the endavour to bring
> > the role of the commons and peer production into the field.
> >
> > There are three principal concepts that play a role in this field.
> > These concepts are complementing and competing at the same time:
> >
> > SOCIAL ECONOMY:  This refers to everything that adresses poverty and
> > raises opportunity, many times its the term for the activities of NGOs
> > performing activities of the social state and act as employers and
> > service providers. Thats very much within the "state quota" of
> > indirectly financed activities.
> >
> > SOCIAL BUSINESS: In sharp distinction this is the answer of the
> > private sector, small or medium sized or large enterprises that try to
> > address issues of poverty or meeting needs on a profit based base,
> > with the caveat that most or all of the profit gets reinvested in the
> > companies. Grameen Mohammed Yunus is now pushing that concept
> >
> > SOLIDARITY ECONOMY  This is the only transformative concept, it aims
> > to establish productive and supportive activities between actors,
> > especially in a region, that empower and enable as many players as
> > possible to take over functions in an economic network of relations
> > which could be monetary or nonmonetary.
> >
> > You should know that the people above are involved in the creation of
> > free software tools to map solidarity economy - and these are just
> > some of them.
> >
> > Franz
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Hi list!
> >
> > I'm invited to the `10th RMLL`_ which is going to happen in Nantes.
> > This is a five day conference which - AFAICS - takes place `every
> > year`_ in a city in France. I know too little French to say much about
> > this conference but it seems to be a - may be: the - big Free Software
> > conference in France.
> >
> > The organizers invited me for the track `Économie Sociale et
> > Solidaire`_ :-) . I'll do a talk on `Social economy or peer
> > production? - On the relationship of social economy and peer
> > production`_. In fact a topic which is nearly as old as Oekonux.
> >
> > For me this is a welcome reason to think more thoroughly about this
> > important topic. I started doing some research on the topic -
> > especially to clarify the notions of "social economy" and "solidarity
> > economy". I started some slides_ already. So far only the headers are
> > present, though.
> >
> > In any case I more than welcome thoughts and ideas from all of you on
> > this topic.
> >
> > .. _10th RMLL: http://2009.rmll.info/
> >
> > .. _every year: http://2009.rmll.info/-Les-RMLL-.html
> >
> > .. _Économie Sociale et Solidaire:
> > http://2009.rmll.info/-Economie-Sociale-et-Solidaire-.html
> >
> > .. _Social economy or peer production? - On the relationship of social
> > economy and peer production:
> > http://2009.rmll.info/Social-economy-or-peer-production.html
> >
> > .. _slides:
> > http://en.wiki.oekonux.org/StefanMerten/SocialEconomyOrPeerProduction
> >
> >
> >       Grüße
> >
> >       Stefan
> > _________________________________
> > Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/
> > Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/
> > Contact: [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>  ==============================
> Andreas Exner,
> Parteiunabhängiger AK-Rat
> Grüne/UG Kärnten
> www.grueneug.wordpress.com
>
>  Activist
> Social Innovation Network - SINET
> Weblog: www.social-innovation.org
>
>  Redakteur Streifzüge
> www.streifzuege.org
>


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