Re: Fwd: [ox-en] Talk on "Social economy or peer production? - On the relationship of

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hi stefan

thank you for your feedback!

peer economy is certainly a very promising approach in clarifying the overall 
perspective a solidarity economy can realize.

in my view, your critical remarks on the term "solidarity" are valid.

however, i personally try to adapt to common language.

the "social enterprise compass" i do not know - i will check that later.

btw, stefan: would you like to become a member of www.solcom.ning.com?
(i guess anyone can register - if not, i'll invite you)

cheers, andreas

> Hi Franz, Andreas, Jonas, all!
> 
> 4 days ago Franz Nahrada wrote:
> > I forward your letter to Andreas Exner and others heavily involved
> > in the Solidarity Economy.
> 
> Thanks :-) .
> 
> @Andreas: I read some of your CONTRASTE articles. In fact I often like
> them most of all articles :-) .
> 
> > SOCIAL ECONOMY:  This refers to everything that adresses poverty and
> > raises opportunity, many times its the term for the activities of
> > NGOs performing activities of the social state and act as employers
> > and service providers. Thats very much within the "state quota" of
> > indirectly financed activities.
> 
>   4 days ago Andreas Exner wrote:
>   > Personally, I also think, that social economy has only a very
>   limited potential > since most of the time, people understand former
>   state-apparatuses in the > field of social welfare - no privatized
>   (being non-profit or profit) - as "social > eonomy".
> 
> This matches my opinion: Social economy addresses poverty issues and
> as such is trying to compensate the failures of capitalism.
> 
> If capitalism would keep its promise then social economy would be
> superfluous. This is a major difference to peer production.
> 
> > SOLIDARITY ECONOMY  This is the only transformative concept, it aims
> > to establish productive and supportive activities between actors,
> > especially in a region, that empower and enable as many players as
> > possible to take over functions in an economic network of relations
> > which could be monetary or nonmonetary.
> 
>   2 days ago Jonas Bertucci wrote:
>   > So, in my point of view, the solidarity economy has a huge
>   potencial because > it points to a political project (in which I
>   believe and try to work for), > that can only be developed if there
>   are mecanisms of participation and > collective taking of decisions,
>   in a large sense, not only in restricted and > isolate organizations
>   or communities
> 
> You both highlight the empowering and participation.
> 
> I'd agree that on first glance this is a commonality with peer
> production. However, in peer production this empowering and
> participation (aka internal openness) is a precondition for the whole
> process while in solidarity economy it's a political goal. To me this
> is a major difference.
> 
> But I'd also agree that this empowering and participation is a goal
> which is independent of capitalism or rather opposed to capitalism
> because these types of openness are not part of capitalism: If you
> empower people to produce the same as you then you destroy your own
> business. And participation / internal openness is clearly opposed to
> business secrets.
> 
>   4 days ago Andreas Exner wrote:
>   > Solidarity economy on the other hand is of course the most
>   promising > approach of all I know. However, I think, that it's
>   potentials only come really > true, if it starts to produce commons.
> 
> If I get you right then you would say that it is only transformative
> if it embraces the virtues of peer production. But then it would
> actually be a certain form of peer production. Right?
> 
> 
> What puzzles me in the term "solidarity economy" is the word
> "solidarity". Solidarity to me is a concept which is deeply rooted in
> capitalism or may be in any society / situation where antagonistic
> forces fight for dominance. I associate this warm feeling in the belly
> when you act in solidarity.
> 
> In peer production on the other hand I do not at all at all see this
> warm feeling in the belly. Solidarity is just not a topic there. Well,
> if it comes to software patents then there is some solidarity...
> 
> As you can see I'm really puzzled here ;-) . May be you can help me
> out on this.
> 
> > You should know that the people above are involved in the creation
> > of free software tools to map solidarity economy - and these are
> > just some of them.
> 
> Well, I think this is an example of Free Software being interesting
> for many users. Solidarity economy is just one example - though I'd
> agree that it looks more "natural" to use Free Software for solidarity
> economy than for a bank.
> 
> 4 days ago Andreas Exner wrote:
> > Actually, as far as I got to know, in France no clear and/or
> > unambigous distinction between social and solidarity economy has
> > been drawn.
> 
> That is my impression also. For my talk I need at least some working
> definition, however.
> 
> Also I have a question to you. During my research I found this `social
> enterprise compass`_ quoted in Wikipedia but actually taken from
> somewhere else. Did you know this? Do you find it useful? I thought it
> would be a good idea to locate Free Software (for the sake of this
> conference but really: peer production) on this compass.
> 
> .. _social enterprise compass:
> http://www.equal-xop.org/www_main.php?page_id=1271
> 
> 
>       Grüße
> 
>       Stefan
> 


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