Re: [ox-en] keimform.de: Reopening the Commons: Reversing the Enclosure

Diego Saravia <[email protected]>
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2009/8/13 Christian Siefkes <[email protected]>:
> URL:
> http://www.keimform.de/2009/08/04/reopening-the-commons-reversing-the-enclosure/
>
> Nowadays, almost everybody is forced to sell their labor power in order to

only if you do not have enough capital

> Yet, historically the situation that (almost) everybody has to sell their
> labor power is rather new--it only emerged with capitalism.

before that people have (or can use) lands, or forest, people always
need some kind of capital

if you have capital you can live on rents or work with your capital


~Wage labor
> <WP> and capitalism depend on each other: Without capitalist companies,
> there would be nobody (by and large) to sell your labor power *to,*

not only companies, owners, lords, kings, etc


 so wage
> labor could only be an occasional phenomenon (as it was before capitalism).

we always have other kinds of resource distribution and work
organization as slavery


> And without wage workers, capital accumulation would be impossible, since
> their surplus labor is the source of profit (and of its derived forms,
> interest and rent).

we have capital acummulation a long time before capitalism


> That wage workers are *forced* to sell their labor power (due to a lack of
> alternatives) is just one side of the coin. The other side is that they are
> *allowed* to do so--in contrast to slaves, who cannot sell their labor
> power since they themselves have already been sold by others.

there ar not diferences between slavery and wage or other forms of
social structure in the essencial facts

some people have the ownership of capital, others work

if you hace capital you can work for yourself or get people to work for you.

the change with capitalism was the way to apply force to sustain
capital ownership

ownership is a human right now, state protect your rights to have
production means (or capital)

before that you must defend yourself, with your army, probably
becoming yourself the state.

we created institutions that make transparent and ease the ownership
of production means, state, land registry, police forces, bank money,
etc

you dont see violence, as you can see in slavery

but force relationships exist, that was the contribution of marx,
explain that capitalism is part of the same domination and hierarchy
that make us part of the living creatures

>
> The latter option would require a reversal of the historical process of the
> "enclosure of the commons": a **reopening, recreation, and restoration of
> the commons.**  And indeed we can see many traces of such recreations and
> reopenings already taking place, as new commons are created (free software,
> Wikipedia etc.) and struggles for old, or former commons (land, water etc.)
> are increasing.

these are quite different process

material goods are scarce, there are not enough land for all people
you have two options: ownership or state control of material goods,

that was the political fight after
industrial revolution


knowledge goods are not scarse, at least if you do not have copyright.

you can free them.
that is the fight after informational revolution.



> On the practical side, this means that we should do everything we can to
> support the reopening and recreation of the commons, whether by
> contributing to ~open manufacturing

not enough steel, wood, gas, land, etc

it could be done with knowledge, but not with material goods.




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