Re: Production systems as a political process (was: Re: [ox-en] Commons in a taxonomy of goods)

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> the chemical energy contained in it to other forms of energy. In
> particular *this* use can be replaced by other forms of energy quite
> easily.


mmm,  for doing so, you will need to send to trash every car in the planet.



> It's all a question whether the societal system allows such a
> step. In a way you are right: The *current* production system
> obviously does *not* allow such a step.


ok, I agree


> But this is not a law of
> nature but a low of the societal system we are living in.


I agree



> By putting
> it as a law of nature you do the job of those who want to keep
> capitalism up forever.
>

I do not say its a law of nature

socialism  is/was also consuming oil


The other way you are wrong is that you put the current production
> system as your point of departure.


I live here and now.


> At least in a post-capitalist
> society the production system is a means to an end, however. It is the
> means to satisfy societal needs. As the production system itself the
> societal needs are also to some degree determined by the societal
> system they arise in. At the very least you can say that the societal
> needs today will be different from those of a post-capitalist societal
> system. So it's wrong to simply project the present into the future.


I agree that is wrong to do so.

To summarize: In a post-capitalist world the needs will be different
>
and the production system will be subject to a political process.
>

you say that superstructure will control structure?


> > Off course we have a very unequal distribution system, that was
> > correctly described and explained by Marx.
>
> If the distribution system would be the problem don't you think that
> 200 years of capitalism should have been enough to fix it?


capitalism is the problem,  distribution system is just part of capitalism


> How long
> are you ready to wait longer for this "fix"?


I do not want to wait a second.


> No, the distribution
> system isn't the problem. It's just an expression of the underlying
> problem.
>
>
I agree

>                                                Grüße
>
>                                                Stefan
>



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