Re: [ox-en] Re: Model of humans

Economic relationships tie you to millions you do not know as people.

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From: "Robin Upton" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ox-en] Re: Model of humans
Date: 20th July 2010
Time: 8:00:23 am


On 19/07/10 17:12, Stefan Merten wrote:
>> I look forward to an economic system in which I can priority to
>> relationships, rather than
>> be concerned about fiat tokens of empire.
>>
> Well, I think how the relationships in the economy are shaped is a
> good question. Lately I learned from StefanMz that they *are* shaped
> differently. But I still think you should not confuse personal
> relationships with economic relationships. But you probably don't do
> this anyway.
>
Perhaps I do. Is there a value in drawing a distinction between the two?
It seems on first reflection to be the flip-side of alienated work.
i.e. economic relationship (buying) comes from someone who only
helps due to magic beans. Personal relationship means love, not money.
Right now, I do have distinct sets of relationships, but I have yet to be
convinced that this is an ideal state of affairs.
>> Bearing the above in mind, I can see a future taboo against some cases of
>> conditional exchange. e.g. I will not treat your life threatening
>> condition unless
>> you give me some magic beans. In another context, it makes perfect sense.
>> e.g. I will perform an operation on you unless someone gives me use of a
>> sterile operating theatre for 3 hours and some trained staff.
>>
[oops], ^will perform^won't perform        ...but you got the vibe
> But the latter is a factual precondition for the treatment - right?
> You don't need to put this as a form of exchange when it's simply a
> factual precondition.
>
> That is perfectly the difference between alienation - some magic beans
> not belonging to the process - and a concrete need - the facilities to
> actually perform the treatment.
>
I intended this as a clear example. I can see that it may not always be
so clear.
e.g. I need a coffee and biscuits to help me concentrate on the operation.
My angle on this is designing a gift economy in which people specify (in
XML)
their requests and offers, and the software to match them up.

Robin

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