Re: [ox-en] Giftforge

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The last thing we need is the burden of promoting and maintaining new
directory project.
All we have to do is agree to use one particular existing directory, or
perhaps a subset of it.
Something like wiser earth.
Vivirbien looks nice, but not much data in it yet.
I think that software projects and realworld projects should be handled
completely separately.
Realworld projects belong on a map http://www.greenmap.org/
Matthew


On 29 July 2010 09:18, Franz Nahrada <[email protected]> wrote:

> >The idea : a developer community dedicated solely to the furthering of
> >gift economy in the real world.
> >(The term "gift economy" is somewhat loaded, but I can't think of a
> >better one right now)
>
> Good thought!
>
> lust a caveat:
>
> Gift economy is just a name but not really the understanding how it could
> work.
> We must be gifted to be able to give.
> circular economy, cooperative economy, solidarity economy would apply as
> well.
>
> I draw your attention to this endvour from Vienna:
>
> http://vivirbien.mediavirus.org/wiki/About%20Vivir%20Bien/
> http://vivirbien.mediavirus.org/wiki/What%20Is%20Vivir%20Bien/
>
> "Vivir Bien compiles initiatives and structures that are outside the scope
> of profit-based capitalist logic. We call such initiatives and structures
> "resources". The framework used should be as broad as possible. Vivir Bien
> provides a platform for activities based on different theoretical concepts
> and labels. We focus on two approaches in particular: solidarity economies
> and commons."
>
> you are right if you point to the fact that vivir bien seems rather to map
> than to develop such resources. But the mapping is an essential component,
> see below. It pretty much covers your "discover" point!
>
> dor the other points: ("engage" and "participate")
>
> I had discussions with Mathew Slater of communityforge, who is still
> focussing on community currencies.
> Not to my surprise, Mathew agreed that there is a much broader meaning in
> his endavour and he was seeking collaborators to expand the view. I will
> keep him informed and forward your adress.
>
> We need several things at once:
>
> * have professional communities of providers - lets call it "horizontal"
> although it is exactly what is called "vertical" in the business software
> market. But if you agree on the assumption that a cooperative economy is
> always also a regional economy, than there is a need for global viewpoints
> of people who are in the profession of providing particular products and
> servides. Even though, in the very sense of communism, they might not be
> bound to this "profession". But in fact the provision of a certain kind of
> good or service even in a free, nonmonetary context is some kind of fixed
> structure with its own problems, methods, tools, materials and so on. This
> is and should be a global endavour from the beginning, it should be based
> on a maximum of reproduceable elements.
>
> so from "open shoes" we come to "open shoemakers" and create knowledge
> about sustainably embedding functions into - if you want - gift cycles.
> The open shoemaler needs to have a lot of competences about leather, tools
> etc.  - they draw from professional experiences from the monetarized
> world, but they modify it.
>
> * have a mechanism for these communities to interlock on a physical scale
> and form cycles. Mapping is a good tool to become aware of the existence
> of resources, if you want it is a stone-age tool at the birth of
> solidarity economics, but then you want to establish quality arrangements
> and reliability and some sense of mutuality (this is really the weak point
> of Oekonux / Keimform appoaches). So we would need flow maps, allowing us
> to optimize physical resource flows. This in some way might replace
> monetary relations. Wolfram Pfreundshuh calls it "contractual economies"
> even though the term "contract" is heavilily loaded by monetary systems
> and their legality.
>
> as far as I can see, all that work is undone.
>
> recently I came to see http://communitytools.info/tools/, where the local
> interlocking is also a theme.
>
> I really dont know if it is possible to develop a distinct system for
> nonmonetary use "solely". But I am constantly agonizing about this. We
> need to put our brains together.
>
> all the best
>
> Franz
>
>
>
> David Collins <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> >The idea : a developer community dedicated solely to the furthering of
> >gift economy in the real world.
> >(The term "gift economy" is somewhat loaded, but I can't think of a
> >better one right now)
> >
> >My perception is that there an increasing number of people trying to
> >develop sharing, recycling and other types of cooperative and giving
> >platforms over the last few years.
> >As of yet, however, they seem to be doing so largely in isolation.
> >And, I was thinking, some sort of hub for development and discussion
> >might be valuable in this regard.
> >
> >We should try to make it easier for people to:
> >       1. find out about these projects (project list)
> >       2. participate in their development (assuming this is ok with the
> >author) (git repositories, or something similar)
> >       3. engage in whatever discussions might be necessary to ensure that
> >these efforts are successful as possible (discussion forum or mailing
> >lists)
> >
> >I have tried trawling through the list of projects on sourceforge.net a
> >number of times - in an attempt to establish if anyone is already working
> >on a project similar to my own.
> >But it's quite time-consuming trying to find the handful of projects that
> >might be relevant.
> >
> >This proposal has been copied to
> >http://indigo.uk.to/~david/notes/giftforge.html . I will be revising and
> >updating it as appropriate.
>
>
>


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