Growth, green movement and peer production (was: [ox-en] Project / Book)

Hi Mathieu and all!

This mail contained some topics I wanted to reply to. I'll make
several replies to separate the various subjects.

16 months (488 days) ago Mathieu O'Neil wrote:
> The recent posts about the "social economy" have led me to consider some issues that I have not seen discussed on [ox] or P2PF for that matter. For example, where does the [ox] community stand on the issue of growth? There is a recent push to rebrand capitalism as "green" (see Obama in the US, Sarkozy and Cohn-Bendit in Europe). But this green capitalism - from the Left or Right - is still based on the unlimited accumulation of stuff.

AFAICS we had threads about growth meanwhile.

> An alternative to growth is what is known in French as "la decroissance" - a-growth, like you could talk about atheism as the opposite of religion. So ecological issues have to be thought about. The alienation of nature, not just the alienation of people.

I don't know whether I understand what alienation of nature might be.
To me alienation has neither reason nor intention so for me it is hard
to see what alienation might be - at least in such a general sense and
of course in a Western tradition.

> This would help to connect peer production to a very dynamic sector of radical thought.

What I do see, however, is that a move to a use value oriented economy
such as peer production makes room for considering nature differently.
That is of course a big thing for the green movement but still it is
the same old insight that the worst enemy of nature is capitalism.


						Grüße

						Stefan

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