Re: [ox-en] Mapping the GNU GPL into the Physical Realm

every time you erase something, entropy is generated.

Feynman dixit.

2011/9/6 Ian Hewitt <[email protected]>:
> A further point of distinction is the thermodynamic behaviour of the
> physical world - each time there is a conversion of form/content entropy is
> created which is not the case in the virtual form ..recompiling source code
> carries no great overhead apart from time (..and a little energy).
>
> Perhaps more care needs to be given to the design of
> re-useable/reconfigurable physical objects - with due regard to
> thermodynamic losses?
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 06/09/11 08:55, Lehor Meius wrote:
>>
>> This is very interesting. However I see a difference between physical and
>> virtual objects:
>>
>> When a virtual Object is created from virtual Sources, the amount of
>> virtual Sources remains the same.
>> The possibility to create another Object is exactly the same.
>>
>> However, when we create a physical Object from Physical Sources, the
>> amount of physical Sources decreases
>> for they are locked up in a physical Object. At some point we would need
>> more work in order to create an
>> Object - to find additional Sources. Basically, as new Objects are
>> created, access becomes more difficult
>> for new Users.
>>
>> The only remedy I see against this is when creation of a physical Object
>> does not give ownership rights,
>> but instead gives *usership* rights. This means, once the Object in no
>> longer used (for example the beer
>> bottle after the beer has been consumed), the user has the duty to return
>> it to the Source pool. Basically,
>> all created physical Objects have to be returned to the Sources once they
>> are no longer used.
>>
>>
>> Lehor
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:54:37 -0600, Patrick Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I've been trying to understand how the GNU GPL might apply to the
>>> material world and am happily surprised with the results.
>>>
>>>
>>> In the virtual world of software:
>>> 1.) An Object is the result of {compiling} some type of Sources.
>>> 2.) Sources are the inputs such as {source-code, makefiles,
>>> shell-scripts, installer scripts, etc.} required to change a future
>>> instance of that Object type.
>>>
>>>
>>> In the physical world of hardware:
>>> 1.) An Object is the result of {work* across time} to some type of
>>> Sources.
>>> 2.) Sources are the inputs such as {land and water and seeds and
>>> animals and tools} required to change a future instance of that Object
>>> type.
>>> *  Note: some Objects are occasionally created by the 'work' of nature
>>> with no human intervention.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So we can say physical Objects have physical Sources.
>>>
>>> For example, the Sources of a bottle of beer include land, water,
>>> barley, hops, yeast, heated water, containers, glass (for the bottle),
>>> kiln (to melt the glass), etc. - and even recursively all the sources
>>> required to initially create the tools that created the tools, etc...
>>>
>>>
>>> The GNU GPL instructs us to help every user incrementally gain at-cost
>>> access the Sources of all the Objects they use.
>>>
>>> I think I've found a way to do this!
>>>
>>> The trick is to start a business that can treat some % of Profit
>>> (Price above Cost) as an INVESTMENT FROM THE PAYER.
>>>
>>> Treating Profit as Payer Investment causes each user to slowly gain
>>> co-ownership in the *growth* of that organization.
>>>
>>> Imagine you buy a $5 hamburger from such a place, but it only cost the
>>> current owners $3 to deliver that surplus (the owners would only be
>>> selling surplus, since the *primary* reason for their investments
>>> would be to receive at-cost objects such as hamburgers).
>>>
>>> The cashier would give you a receipt showing you now have (within a
>>> future vesting window) $2 invested in more land, water rights, calves,
>>> and also toward paying wages, etc.
>>>
>>> As you continue to gain ownership (and as you also continue to pay
>>> recurring costs on what you already own), you will eventually go to
>>> the new restaurant your overpayments help to create, and you will show
>>> your ownership credentials to prove you already own a prepared
>>> hamburger as a result of your ownership in the entire tree of it's
>>> production.
>>>
>>> When the investors will accept the objects themselves (say beer) as
>>> compensation for the risk they took, there is no sale because the end
>>> user already paid all the costs of production, and owns the objects as
>>> a side-effect of those commitments.
>>>
>>> And since there is no sale, Profit doesn't even have a chance to enter
>>> the picture.
>>> And without a sale there is no attack-point for external governments -
>>> and so no sales tax.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Imputed_rent is a subset or simplified
>>> version of this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Patrick Anderson
>>> http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> We can also eliminate wages by committing to swap of skills within a
>>> "closed-loop, user-owned production aggregate" *before* production
>>> begins.  I call it pre-barter.
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