Re: [ox-en] Report from COM'ON workshop: Dam builders and ship builders

Yes, this is true, but the difference comes from viewpoint. For someone 
who works mostly with software, the abudance seems normal order of 
things. And for someone who works with resources and basic production, 
abudance seems like something that would perhaps be possible with major 
political and economic rearrangements in society.

The differences between Peer Producers and old Left appear from their 
different locations in the production system. But truly new society is 
possible only when the total reality of production and culture is 
considered and therefore it seems to me, that new and old ideologies 
must merge into a new coherent ideological system for the 21st century.


L.


On 17.12.2011 00:41, Patrick Anderson wrote:
>> "physical" requires land and energy
>> "virtual" doesn't require such things.
>
> This is true for virtual things as concepts,
> but not for any *instance* of such things.
>
> Every virtual thing requires the physical
> to host and express that virtual concept.
>
> For example, a computer program can
> exist conceptually, as an idea that may
> eventually be discovered - without any
> amount of land or energy.
>
> But when someone dreams of that idea,
> and when they try to show others, they
> will need to use their hands or voices to
> enter that idea into a physical computer.
>
> That computer will need land on which
> it will sit, and energy which it will use to
> host and express that concept.
>
> If we do not admit the physical basis of
> the virtual realm, we will never be able to
> host computing for our own benefit, but
> will instead continue to rely upon Google,
> Amazon, the ISPs, etc. to own those
> Means of Production while they continue
> to use them against us.
>
> See also:
> http://Blog.P2PFoundation.net/one-loaf-per-child
> and http://SourceFreedom.BlogSpot.com
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Patrick Anderson
> http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com
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