[Dark Matter] Muhammad was Delusional
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--rrP9OHsA5Fo4rLyF55HAQ5OIOY0rMYfU3AC27YQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:08:07 -0500 From: DarkMatter <[email protected]> To: DarkMatter Subscriber <[email protected]> Subject: [Dark Matter] Muhammad was Delusional (Mailing list information, including unsubscription instructions, is locate= d at=20 http://inyourface.info/ C R Y P T | L I N K S | H O M E Islamic Cultural Attitudes With the Blessings of AllahMuhammad did not emancipate women. Islam has=20 historically considered females a corrupting influence; a harmful and=20 inappropriate distraction for men. But in spite of the low position of=20 women this did not prevent the prophet from having at least ten wives, and= =20 by some estimates, as many as 14. While it was necessary for women to=20 remain modest, the prophet was known to have perfumed his body, painted=20 his eyes, and dyed his hair. (Source: See Will Durant, "The Age of Faith"= =20 1950) False Notion that Jews were Treated Well by Muslims. "At various=20 times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive= =20 culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure,=20 however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead=20 to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with=20 contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two=20 groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews." (Michell=20 Bard,"The Treatment of Jews in Arab/Islamic Countries") "When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in= =20 Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating=20 results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of=20 Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the=20 Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot=20 was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw=20 as inordinate Jewish political power." (Bard) "Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews,=20 leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman= =20 in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar=20 massacres throughout Morocco." (Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands,=20 The Jewish Publication Society of America, 1979) "Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th=20 century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I;=20 North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly=20 converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi= =20 Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in=20 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred=20 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880. (Maurice Roumani, The Case of=20 the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue, (Tel Aviv: World=20 Organization of Jews from Arab Countries, 1977) "Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and=20 Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854859, 1344) and Yemen (1676).=20 Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or=20 face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and=20 Baghdad (1333 and 1344)." (Bat Yeor, Louis Gardet, La Cite Musulmane: Vie=20 sociale et politique, (Paris: Etudes musulmanes, 1954) "It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable=20 number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have=20 attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to=20 significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be=20 done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a=20 lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced=20 conversions, or pogroms." (Bat Yeor, Louis Gardet, La Cite Musulmane: Vie=20 sociale et politique, (Paris: Etudes musulmanes, 1954) "The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th=20 century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt,=20 Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which=20 contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were=20 made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even= =20 Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing=20 stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of=20 anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of=20 apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in= =20 the Ottoman Empire." (Bernard Lewis, The Jews of Islam, (NJ: Princeton=20 University Press, 1984) "The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of= =20 a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so= =20 long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is=20 promptly repressed." (Middle Eastern Studies, (1971), p. 232.) "The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the=20 UN over partition in 1947. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned:=20 "Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in=20 protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world." (New York Times,=20 (February 19, 1947) The written version of the Koran dates from the time=20 of Caliph Othman, who was Mohammed's third successor and twenty years=20 after Mohammed's death which like the New Testament, which also was=20 written later than the events described, and therefore both instruments as= =20 documents have been greatly diminished in value as reliable historical=20 sources. Never the less, the Koran is our guide to everything which=20 concerns the birth of Islam, just as the New Testament is the definitive=20 guide (even with all it's contradictions) of the life of Jesus. At the time in the early seventh century, most of the people in the great=20 Byzantine and Persian empires were Bedouin tribes of nomadic people who=20 lived patriarchal lives, practiced circumcision and worshipeed stone gods,= =20 the best known being the black stone shrine, the Kaaba, at Mecca. Mohammed= =20 was born in 570 according to the Koran at Mecca. Like many prophets of=20 that time, Muhammad had visions and his came to him in his forties when he= =20 received his revelation from Archangel Gabriel in the form of an order in=20 the name of God to bring the message of Allah. He preached in Mecca from=20 612 to 622 and only recruited in all that time a few dozen followers but=20 he was mostly mocked by the other people of Mecca. He moved his followers=20 to Medina, a city a few hundred miles to the north and populated mostly by= =20 Jews. He was successful there and won over many converts to his form of=20 monotheism. But it is written that while he would seek approval from the=20 Jews he was less successful with them who were skeptical and contemptuous=20 of him. He was by then powerful and he expelled some of the Jews - WITH=20 THE BLESSINGS OF ALLAH, and he massacred all the rest. And, thus Mohammed=20 demonstrated his disdain for the Jews and his followers were to emulate=20 their prophet - that is, they were glorified in some respects but=20 denounced also and Mecca was alternatively established as the place to=20 direct prayers and not to Jerusalem and Ramada was to coincide with Yom=20 Kipper and a replacement for it for the Muslims. Mohammed then proceeded=20 to become the theocratic leader of all of Arabia. Muhammad was Delusional "The campaign of death waged by the Islamist-jihadist, be he a puppet or a= =20 puppeteer, is energized by the belief of delectable rewards that await the= =20 faithful implementer of Allah=92s dictates. Through a highly effective=20 indoctrination, the jihadist has come to believe firmly in Islam=92s grand= =20 delusion. He believes that Allah is the one and only supreme creator of=20 earth and heavens; that it is his duty and privilege to abide by Allah=92s= =20 will and carry out his plans at all costs; he believes firmly in a=20 gloriously wonderful immortal afterlife in paradise, for which a martyr=92s= =20 death is the surest quickest admission. Although the dominating theme of=20 the delusion is quasi spiritual, the promised rewards of the afterlife=20 awaiting the martyr are sensual and material. All the things and=20 activities that the jihadist desires and cannot attain or practice, and=20 rejects in his earthly life will be purified and proffered to him in the=20 paradise of the next life. Thus goes the delusion." (_Amil Imani_) Today=20 if someone talked to angels and had visions they would be prescribed=20 lithium. In Muhammad's day they made him a prophet. Muhammad had=20 hallucinations; he was delusional and 1.400 years later his sermons are a=20 religion with a over a billion misguided, delusional, Jew-hating=20 followers. Hank Roth Today is Monday July 21, 2008* G 0 l e m D e s i g n s Hank Roth - On the Internet since 1982 Worm Hole (Home) - The Crypt - Hank Roth (Bio) * While I don't use a=20 standard blog (weblog software) mostly because I've been doing this too=20 long - having been there with Ike when the precursor to the Internet,=20 Arpanet got started and every step of the way since, I can't get into all=20 the many fads over the years (now it is social networking), but I have=20 been an observer and participant in events which shape the world since my=20 time with NSA and with Army Security and as a voice security cryptologist=20 in the White House for the President, and the War Room at the Pentagon for= =20 the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff plus two wars. You could say this site= =20 is one of the better kept secrets on the InterNUT. You are invited back as= =20 often as you would like to see what I and others, I trust, may be saying.=20 * * -- Hank Roth* * [viewed 1204 times]* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --rrP9OHsA5Fo4rLyF55HAQ5OIOY0rMYfU3AC27YQ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #ffffff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"width: 470px; margin:0; padding:0 25px 0 0; f= loat:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > <p>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:08:07 -0500<br> From: DarkMatter <<a href=3D"mailto:hank.roth%40gmail.com">hank.roth@gma= il.<wbr>com</a>><br> To: DarkMatter Subscriber <<a href=3D"mailto:adar%40pnews.org">adar@pnew= s.org</a>><br> Subject: [Dark Matter] Muhammad was Delusional<br> <br> (Mailing list information, including unsubscription instructions, is locate= d at <br> <a href=3D"http://inyourface.info/">http://inyourface.<wbr>info/</a><br> <br> C R Y P T | L I N K S | H O M E<br> Islamic Cultural Attitudes<br> <br> With the Blessings of AllahMuhammad did not emancipate women. Islam has <br= > historically considered females a corrupting influence; a harmful and <br> inappropriate distraction for men. But in spite of the low position of <br> women this did not prevent the prophet from having at least ten wives, and = <br> by some estimates, as many as 14. While it was necessary for women to <br> remain modest, the prophet was known to have perfumed his body, painted <br= > his eyes, and dyed his hair. (Source: See Will Durant, "The Age of Fa= ith" <br> 1950) False Notion that Jews were Treated Well by Muslims. "At various= <br> times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive = <br> culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, <br= > however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead <b= r> to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with <br> contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two <b= r> groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews." (Miche= ll <br> Bard,"The Treatment of Jews in Arab/Islamic Countries")<br> <br> "When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a positio= n in <br> Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating <br> results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of <br> Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the <br= > Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot <b= r> was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw <= br> as inordinate Jewish political power." (Bard)<br> <br> "Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, <= br> leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman = <br> in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of simi= lar <br> massacres throughout Morocco." (Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Land= s, <br> The Jewish Publication Society of America, 1979)<br> <br> "Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8= th <br> century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; <b= r> North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly <br> converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi = <br> Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in <br> 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred <br= > Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880. (Maurice Roumani, The Case of <br= > the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue, (Tel Aviv: World <br> Organization of Jews from Arab Countries, 1977)<br> <br> "Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt = and <br> Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). <br> Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or <b= r> face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and <= br> Baghdad (1333 and 1344)." (Bat Yeor, Louis Gardet, La Cite Musulmane: = Vie <br> sociale et politique, (Paris: Etudes musulmanes, 1954)<br> <br> "It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeabl= e <br> number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have <br> attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to <br> significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be <= br> done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a <br> lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced <br= > conversions, or pogroms." (Bat Yeor, Louis Gardet, La Cite Musulmane: = Vie <br> sociale et politique, (Paris: Etudes musulmanes, 1954)<br> <br> "The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th <= br> century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, <= br> Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which <br> contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were <= br> made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even = <br> Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing <br> stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of <br> anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of <= br> apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in = <br> the Ottoman Empire." (Bernard Lewis, The Jews of Islam, (NJ: Princeton= <br> University Press, 1984)<br> <br> "The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is tha= t of <br> a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so = <br> long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is <br> promptly repressed." (Middle Eastern Studies, (1971), p. 232.)<br> <br> "The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in t= he <br> UN over partition in 1947. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: <b= r> "Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in = <br> protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world." (New York Tim= es, <br> (February 19, 1947) The written version of the Koran dates from the time <b= r> of Caliph Othman, who was Mohammed's third successor and twenty years <br> after Mohammed's death which like the New Testament, which also was <br> written later than the events described, and therefore both instruments as = <br> documents have been greatly diminished in value as reliable historical <br> sources. Never the less, the Koran is our guide to everything which <br> concerns the birth of Islam, just as the New Testament is the definitive <b= r> guide (even with all it's contradictions) of the life of Jesus.<br> <br> At the time in the early seventh century, most of the people in the great <= br> Byzantine and Persian empires were Bedouin tribes of nomadic people who <br= > lived patriarchal lives, practiced circumcision and worshipeed stone gods, = <br> the best known being the black stone shrine, the Kaaba, at Mecca. Mohammed = <br> was born in 570 according to the Koran at Mecca. Like many prophets of <br> that time, Muhammad had visions and his came to him in his forties when he = <br> received his revelation from Archangel Gabriel in the form of an order in <= br> the name of God to bring the message of Allah. He preached in Mecca from <b= r> 612 to 622 and only recruited in all that time a few dozen followers but <b= r> he was mostly mocked by the other people of Mecca. He moved his followers <= br> to Medina, a city a few hundred miles to the north and populated mostly by = <br> Jews. He was successful there and won over many converts to his form of <br= > monotheism. But it is written that while he would seek approval from the <b= r> Jews he was less successful with them who were skeptical and contemptuous <= br> of him. He was by then powerful and he expelled some of the Jews - WITH <br= > THE BLESSINGS OF ALLAH, and he massacred all the rest. And, thus Mohammed <= br> demonstrated his disdain for the Jews and his followers were to emulate <br= > their prophet - that is, they were glorified in some respects but <br> denounced also and Mecca was alternatively established as the place to <br> direct prayers and not to Jerusalem and Ramada was to coincide with Yom <br= > Kipper and a replacement for it for the Muslims. Mohammed then proceeded <b= r> to become the theocratic leader of all of Arabia.<br> <br> Muhammad was Delusional<br> <br> "The campaign of death waged by the Islamist-jihadist, be he a puppet = or a <br> puppeteer, is energized by the belief of delectable rewards that await the = <br> faithful implementer of Allah=92s dictates. Through a highly effective <br> indoctrination, the jihadist has come to believe firmly in Islam=92s grand = <br> delusion. He believes that Allah is the one and only supreme creator of <br= > earth and heavens; that it is his duty and privilege to abide by Allah=92s = <br> will and carry out his plans at all costs; he believes firmly in a <br> gloriously wonderful immortal afterlife in paradise, for which a martyr=92s= <br> death is the surest quickest admission. Although the dominating theme of <b= r> the delusion is quasi spiritual, the promised rewards of the afterlife <br> awaiting the martyr are sensual and material. All the things and <br> activities that the jihadist desires and cannot attain or practice, and <br= > rejects in his earthly life will be purified and proffered to him in the <b= r> paradise of the next life. Thus goes the delusion." (_Amil Imani_) Tod= ay <br> if someone talked to angels and had visions they would be prescribed <br> lithium. In Muhammad's day they made him a prophet. Muhammad had <br> hallucinations; he was delusional and 1.400 years later his sermons are a <= br> religion with a over a billion misguided, delusional, Jew-hating <br> followers. Hank Roth<br> <br> Today is Monday July 21, 2008* G 0 l e m D e s i g n s<br> <br> Hank Roth - On the Internet since 1982<br> Worm Hole (Home) - The Crypt - Hank Roth (Bio) * While I don't use a <br> standard blog (weblog software) mostly because I've been doing this too <br= > long - having been there with Ike when the precursor to the Internet, <br> Arpanet got started and every step of the way since, I can't get into all <= br> the many fads over the years (now it is social networking), but I have <br> been an observer and participant in events which shape the world since my <= br> time with NSA and with Army Security and as a voice security cryptologist <= br> in the White House for the President, and the War Room at the Pentagon for = <br> the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff plus two wars. You could say this site = <br> is one of the better kept secrets on the InterNUT. 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