Re: [dinosaur] On several Russian papers

Ben Creisler
[email protected]

An additional way to find papers in Russian is this site:

Russian doc player

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This finds additional material (articles, books, news) online beyond
Geokniga.

There are download tools, but they don't always work because of network
problems it seems.

The queries are a bit limited and only single words see to work very well
 as far as I can tell. You can put in generic names in Latin form or in the
Russian form.

One advantage is that the text is displayed at the bottom in addition to
images, and can be copied for translation, or translated using online
translation tools.

For example, here's the link to Efremov's 1955 monograph on Permian and
Triassic vertebrates. If you use Google Chrome, the translation tool at the
top right on the page will translate the text version of the monograph at
the bottom.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docplayer.ru_50481171-2DPermskih-2Di-2Dtriasovyh-2Dna-2Dterritorii-2Dmoskva-2D1955-2Dl-2De-2Dn-2Di-2Dn-2Dg-2Dr-2Da-2Dd.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=R-pbSzZei4qsIKXRO7EznyEhoNkSdPyIKItdPjAISqM&s=S-vcwoD-8lOKE58VcuUahJa-md3T7BgF-sIQDwMw51k&e= 


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On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 9:51 AM Ben Creisler <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ben Creisler
> [email protected]
>
>
> A correction. The intended link in Geokniga for Efremov as an author is:
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geokniga.org_authors_27584&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=R-pbSzZei4qsIKXRO7EznyEhoNkSdPyIKItdPjAISqM&s=XRCd9_FGDKDWQBQ_qZbxlYlEp70vwszBN6CJ8EI7U1Q&e= 
>
> The link that got pasted only went to one publication.
>
> You can find available free publications by a particular author by typing
>  in the Russian name in the query box with "authors":
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geokniga.org_authors&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=R-pbSzZei4qsIKXRO7EznyEhoNkSdPyIKItdPjAISqM&s=XD_Kyh-sPTLL-LYGYJzASry2mtBCR6h2nMk1e6dpiRo&e= 
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 12:09 AM Ben Creisler <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ben Creisler
>> bcreisler@gmail
>>
>> As I thought, some of these papers can be downloaded from Russian sites,
>> although sometimes as a full journal or issue rather than as an individual
>> article.
>>
>> One possible complication is that Russian websites often post documents
>> in DjVu format rather than pdf. You will need to download a reader, which
>> should be available for free. You click through the pages from the bar at
>> the top. You can also convert DjVu to pdf (although I have not tried it).
>>
>>
>> The Archive for the Russian journal Priroda in DjVu is posted here:
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__priroda.ras.ru_&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=R-pbSzZei4qsIKXRO7EznyEhoNkSdPyIKItdPjAISqM&s=RJSgY1OxzoAB05bljcOq-WNuf0f_D4_Wb66NqsSLnZk&e= 
>>
>> The issue with Maleev's original description of  Therizinosaurus (Priroda
>> 1954(3):106-108), including an illustrated reconstruction as a giant
>> turtle-like animal(!), can be downloaded at this link.
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__priroda.ras.ru_djvu_1954-2D03.djvu&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=R-pbSzZei4qsIKXRO7EznyEhoNkSdPyIKItdPjAISqM&s=sySacT44SJu5x3rNVnqI6Oq7z_VtCep7syfw1m8Z9J4&e= 
>>
>> ===
>>
>> The Geokniga website is a bit tricky to work through, but here is a link
>> to some of the publications (in DjVu) by Efremov:
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geokniga.org_books_13923&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=R-pbSzZei4qsIKXRO7EznyEhoNkSdPyIKItdPjAISqM&s=4ynoInUFNWzn7AIJxew_Mlq1X1FbABeQbf8ABbxxGus&e= 
>>
>>
>> You need to click on the title, then go to the bottom of the individual
>> page for the publication and click on the link.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Chudinov's book on early therapsids from 1983 is here:
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geokniga.org_books_3042&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=R-pbSzZei4qsIKXRO7EznyEhoNkSdPyIKItdPjAISqM&s=1dtVjdpn6MLCD-gcsX7kuONaVOQ_G7Oq5AJ0jNujZ4o&e= 
>>
>> ==
>>
>> I may be able to get  links for some of the other papers, but it can take
>> some time to get the queries right in Russian, and, of course, some papers
>> may not be online at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:04 PM Ben Creisler <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ben Creisler
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you necessarily want the first description of a taxon, which
>>> sometimes was a very short notice? In some cases, the same authors later
>>> published more detailed descriptions, some of which are online from
>>> different sources. However, I would need some time to track these down,
>>> which involves having the exact Russian spelling and often the Russian form
>>> of the scientific name.
>>>
>>> Here's snippet views of the original description of Therizinosaurus (but
>>> it doesn't show the original goofy giant turtle "life" reconstruction that
>>> was in the Priroda article). Obviously, this was scanned by somebody...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:51 AM David Marjanovic <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 03. Oktober 2019 um 16:36 Uhr
>>>> *Von:* "Leonardo Gómez" <[email protected]>
>>>> Did anyone see this?
>>>>
>>>> I did. I neither have the pdfs, nor was I optimistic about any
>>>> existing, so I didn't react.
>>>>
>>>> But searching Google Scholar for "pliosaurus rossicus" (with quotation
>>>> marks) finds the openly accessible pdf
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__undor-2Dmuz.ru_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_2019_08_Novozhilov-2D1948.pdf&d=DwMBaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=mUnKDVm2Ae1GsCLxAsrfpoJr9BIgLKUJnxpyz8cthJA&s=FACzBAVX8rOcksdnkf7GNjjfEMEFerl_cc7WhZoap48&e=>
>>>> on the first page of results.
>>>>
>>>> That's all, though.
>>>>
>>>> *Dsungaripterus parvus* is not found.
>>>>
>>>> Searching for *Estemmenosuchus* and Чудинов together does not find the
>>>> description, only a paper celebrating his 90th birthday. The same holds for
>>>> *Eotitanosuchus* and Чудинов (a paper in English, Chudinov 1965, is
>>>> found, but that's not it, he named *Eotitanosuchus* in 1960).
>>>>
>>>> Searching for *Nyctiphruretus* and Ефремов brings up two results in
>>>> total, neither of which is the description. Likewise for
>>>> *Titanophoneus* and Ефремов.
>>>>
>>>> Searching for *Therizinosaurus* and Малеев brings up interesting
>>>> things, but nothing by Малеев.
>>>>
>>>> So, as expected, most of these works have either never been digitized,
>>>> or they've only been scanned as pictures without OCR.
>>>>
>>>