Re: [dinosaur] Uberabatitan vertebral air-sacs + Orthomerus + Eolambia + Giganotosaurus

What I find most problematic--almost to the point of offensive--is people
trying to infer the intentions of people rather than **JUST GETTIN ON THE
BLOODY INTERNET, SENDING AN EMAIL, AND ASKING THEM ABOUT IT!!***

This isn't Romer or Marsh or Owen we're talking about: it's Jim Kirkland
we're talking about. Just send him an email and find out what his
intentions were.

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:24 AM David Marjanovic <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> Thiago Vernaschi V. Costa (2019)
> Remarks on the name of the hadrosauroid dinosaur *Eolambia caroljonesa*
> Kirkland, 1998 (Ornithischia)
> Revista Brasileira de Paleontologia 22(2):165–166
> doi:10.4072/rbp.2019.2.07
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sbpbrasil.org_assets_uploads_files_rbp2019207.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=K1AePq79Vpww3g98RMsCcXCuoYIsVj7Vvh1GJNETR4k&s=gEI3Wp_2zANtVxrhzygwFh_BOkcKwIfhRkg0KDdpDXQ&e= 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sbpbrasil.org_assets_uploads_files_rbp2019207.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=c8fgNIsSnhV9eRB_FVB8q9uuQBTuwtQybknsT6KawhY&s=BWpMRtegDg7TL-Dhszaq9-vto3rAImL638L8MERMS60&e=>
>
> The large hadrosauroid dinosaur *Eolambia caroljonesa* was named in honor
> of Carol Jones, the discoverer of the place where the type specimens were
> found. However, according to the article 31.1.2 of the ICZN, the form
> *caroljonesae* should have been used and, thus, *caroljonesa* represents
> an incorrect original spelling subject to a justified emendation. Such
> emendation is required in cases on which the incorrect original spelling of
> a species-group name must be corrected, as stated by the article 32.5.1 of
> the ICZN. Therefore, based on the express application of the nomenclatural
> rules, the name of the species must be corrected to *Eolambia
> caroljonesae*.
>
> Hm.
>
> In principle, it could also be a noun in apposition, like *Galeocerdo
> cuvier*, the tiger shark. It would certainly be weird to indicate that
> *Eolambia* *is* Carol Jones in some way, but it's not forbidden and would
> not, if intended, be automatically corrected, as *G. cuvier* demonstrates.
>
> The author points out that before the name *Eolambia* was validly
> published, the specimen was informally called "Eohadrosaurus caroljonesi",
> with a (masculine) genitive, and states that this "undoubtedly indicates
> the author's intention" to make the species name a genitive. I'm not sure
> this is "undoubted" enough for the ICZN, though.
>
> The original valid description is on Google Books here
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__books.google.com_books-3Flr-3D-26id-3DyF4fCgAAQBAJ-26pg-3DPA283-26dq-3Deolambia-23v-3Donepage-26q-3Deolambia-26f-3Dfalse&d=DwMBaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=WdngtALhWkWqobt6r2K6R1LmDqNa4b1blu8n_WcLlhc&s=Ufrjqo9j2f4NhEnzYpioZ7fdC2VtCyCpkez0roNHVKk&e=>.
> It only says "The specific name is for Carol Jones", which is again
> suggestive but not unambiguous, and cites "Eohadrosaurus caroljonesi". The
> species name occurs three times in the paper, meaning it's probably not a
> typo in any case.
>
> Strangely, I can't find any evidence in the paper that Kirkland was simply
> asked what he had meant – even though the paper spent almost seven months
> in review.
>


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