Re: [dinosaur] Paleogene armless tyrannosaurids
Thomas Richard Holtz <[email protected]> Wed, 8 Jan 2020 08:00:54 -0500
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--000000000000413c15059ba07c38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable No technical papers as such.=0D=0A=0D=0ABut Greg Paul's restoration was in = the context of a book review (of Dougal=0D=0ADixon's *The New Dinosaurs*) p= ublished in the journal *Evolutionary Theory*.=0D=0AHere is the pdf of that= review:=0D=0Ahttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__gspauld= ino.com_Tertiary.pdf&d=3DDwIBaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfn= c_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3DnZtMy43aLT6elPaBrj= UGWWrIdGn1CSn_fiKxJ8txYjs&s=3D5W8oH8IQjKkGbzd6pRWIMljixEqvmvkiwwyQq4ev8fo&e= =3D =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:08 AM Poekilopleuron <dinosa= [email protected]>=0D=0Awrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A> Good day,=0D=0A>=0D=0A> recen= tly I have seen an hypothetical restoration of Paleogene armless=0D=0A> tyr= annosaurids by Gregory Paul, descended from the Late Cretaceous=0D=0A> smal= l-armed tyrannosaurids, perhaps _T. rex_ itself. I would like to ask if=0D= =0A> there are any scientific papers or articles concerning this topic (i. = e.=0D=0A> whether tyrannosaurids would lose their arms completely during an= other few=0D=0A> millions of years)? If I recall correctly, the same (compl= ete loss of=0D=0A> arms/front limbs) is postulated for advanced abelisaurid= s. Thank you in=0D=0A> advance!=0D=0A>=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-- =0D=0A=0D=0AThom= as R. Holtz, Jr.=0D=0AEmail: [email protected] Phone: 301-405-4084=0D= =0APrincipal Lecturer, Vertebrate Paleontology=0D=0A=0D=0AOffice: Geology 4= 106, 8000 Regents Dr., College Park MD 20742=0D=0A=0D=0ADept. of Geology, U= niversity of Maryland=0D=0Ahttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhtt= p-3A__www.geol.umd.edu_-7Etholtz_&d=3DDwIBaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOU= HhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3DnZtMy= 43aLT6elPaBrjUGWWrIdGn1CSn_fiKxJ8txYjs&s=3DD_TPn9b5XUt2sRHjqDR-OuX73F8F3e4v= xN_OyvXlKkQ&e=3D =0D=0A=0D=0APhone: 301-405-6965=0D=0AFax: 301-314-9661=0D= =0A=0D=0AFaculty Director, Science & Global Change Program, College Park Sc= holars=0D=0A=0D=0AOffice: Centreville 1216, 4243 Valley Dr., College Park M= D 20742=0D=0Ahttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.geol= .umd.edu_sgc&d=3DDwIBaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r= =3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3DnZtMy43aLT6elPaBrjUGWWrI= dGn1CSn_fiKxJ8txYjs&s=3DR3YrfT-QmlnuknoKwGk5stkLl4KyCev9KK9GZI1JLjs&e=3D = =0D=0AFax: 301-314-9843=0D=0A=0D=0AMailing Address: Thomas R. Holtz,= Jr.=0D=0A Department of Geology=0D=0A = Building 237, Room 1117=0D=0A=0D=0A 8000 R= egents Drive=0D=0A University of Maryland=0D=0A = College Park, MD 20742-4211 USA=0D=0A= --000000000000413c15059ba07c38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">No technical papers as such.<div><br></di= v><div>But Greg Paul's restoration was in the context of a book review = (of Dougal Dixon's <i>The New Dinosaurs</i>) published in the journal <= i>Evolutionary Theory</i>. Here is the pdf of that review:</div><div><a hre= f=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__gspauldino.com_T= ertiary.pdf&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc= _gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3DnZtMy43aLT6= elPaBrjUGWWrIdGn1CSn_fiKxJ8txYjs&s=3D5W8oH8IQjKkGbzd6pRWIMljixEqvmvkiww= yQq4ev8fo&e=3D">http://gspauldino.com/Tertiary.pdf</a><br></div><div><b= r></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class= =3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:08 AM Poekilopleuron <<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wro= te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(2= 04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Good day,</div><div><br></div>recen= tly I have seen an=20=0Ahypothetical restoration of Paleogene armless tyran= nosaurids by Gregory=20=0APaul, descended from the Late Cretaceous small-ar= med tyrannosaurids,=20=0Aperhaps _T. rex_ itself. I would like to ask if th= ere are any scientific=0A papers or articles concerning this topic (i. e. w= hether tyrannosaurids=20=0Awould lose their arms completely during another = few millions of years)?=20=0AIf I recall correctly, the same (complete loss= of arms/front limbs) is=20=0Apostulated for advanced abelisaurids. Thank y= ou in advance!</div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- = <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div d= ir=3D"ltr"><div><p style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span= style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125= )">T</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font face=3D"arial, sans-s= erif">homas R. 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